I hope this one runs to 10 pages, and several bags of popcorn!

[Hartsy]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
[Btw, hopefully everyone already knows that a player throwing the ball in can't be called for traveling. [/B]

Are you sure? One time I saw an official blow a whistle during a throw-in, then he used the traveling signal. (tic)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Hartsy

Are you sure? One time I saw an official blow a whistle during a throw-in, then he used the traveling signal. (tic) [/B]

I saw the exact same thing in an NCAA game that I was watching last year. There was a "spot" violation on a designated spot throw-in and the official used the traveling signal instead when he called it. Right call--wrong signal.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I saw the exact same thing in an NCAA game that I was watching last year. There was a "spot" violation on a designated spot throw-in and the official used the traveling signal instead when he called it. Right call--wrong signal. [/B]

I've seen several officials in our area use the travel signal as well, and I think that helps perpetuate the myth that you can travel during a throw-in. Isn't the proper signal just the open-palm? What else do other people do to communicate what actually happened? Does this fall in the same category as the free-throw rim violation, where some people tend to use the "swirlie" (or is it "swirly"?), instead of just the open palm?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by M&M Guy
[/B]

I've seen several officials in our area use the travel signal as well, and I think that helps perpetuate the myth that you can travel during a throw-in. Isn't the proper signal just the open-palm? What else do other people do to communicate what actually happened? [/B][/QUOTE]Signal #2-open palm- "stop clock"........actually the open palm is to show that the clock remains stopped........followed by signal #25- "free throw,designated spot, or other violation".

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Sep 13th, 2005 at 06:25 PM]

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Ow...my head hurts. I'm sure Nevadaref will show up at some point with his warped, leagalistic approach.

So, if M&M sez it's a violation, all he'd have to do is point to 9-4, and everyone will nod their heads in agreement. Right? Hear that? I even hear people nodding their heads right now (it's that rattling sound...unless it's just coming from my head...). Then he would point to the Rules Fundamental that says only traveling and dribble rules don't apply to throw-ins. So, by simplistic logic, the rest still apply. Then, to dramatically prove his point, with the symphony going to cresendo in the background, he would then make the statement, "So, if it doesn't specifically prohibit kicking the ball during the throw-in, then surely it doesn't prohibit the player from giving the ref the finger as well." The crowd goes, "Ooooohh!" M&M then sits back down, with a smile on face, knowing he once again wins the case.

Well, at least that's how it works in my little head. Remember, later on in the same dream he's at the ticket office purchasing Cub World Series tickets.

I only responded to JR's posting of this earlier in the thread with a smiley because I thought that he was poking a little fun at me due to this prior thread: http://www.officialforum.com/thread/20685

I didn't think that he was asking a serious question!
How I feel about this play is well stated there.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

I only responded to JR's posting of this earlier in the thread with a smiley because I thought that he was poking a little fun at me due to this prior thread: http://www.officialforum.com/thread/20685

I didn't think that he was asking a serious question!
How I feel about this play is well stated there.

Whoa, there Tiny Tim..........

If I read that other thread right, you're saying that a kicked ball is a violation on a throw-in and you're citing R9-4 to back up your statement. Right? Now.....R9-4 also says that it's a violation to travel with the ball....which we know isn't applicable on a throw-in. So.....are you still saying that R9-4 is the definitive citation as to what is illegal on a throw-in?

Would I poke a little fun at you? Or M&M? Perish the thought!

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Would I poke a little fun at you? Or M&M? Perish the thought!

(sniff...sniff)

I'm disappointed that you would intentionally poke fun at me. My feelings are hurt.

Ok, I'm over it. After all, I've had 40+ years of being a Cub fan to toughen me up!

Anyway, back to the popcorn-tossing. I thought Rule 9 was about violations and penalties; in other words, what is considered a violation and then how do you penalize it. So, in 9-4, even though it mentions traveling, kicking the ball, striking it with the fist, and causing the ball to go thru the basket from below, I didn't think these violations were part of a specific "group", where if one is allowed, then they all are. The rule just mentions this list of violations, with the penalty being the ball becomes dead and the spot throw-in is awarded to the other team nearest the violation. So, when the Rules Fundementals say you the dribble (4-15) or traveling (4-43) rules don't apply, it doesn't say 9-4 as a whole doesn't apply. So, if you say 9-4 doesn't apply, then you would allow the player to throw the ball direct from OOB thru the basket from below?

(There's that orchestra and cresendo again...)

[Adam]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

So you whistle A1 for winding up & punching B1 on the collar bone & Coach A complains about a cheap foul??

Tough buncha kids you got there.

She didn't really wind up so much, from his angle it didn't look like a lot more than a standard swipe at the ball. It was early, though, and he'd been barking a bit at me and my rookie partner. My only regret is that I chewed his as$ in front of the entire gym rather than stop the clock (running clock games) and call a coach's conference. But it worked, so I don't regret it too much.