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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 01:49am
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So I guess, in the end, you're stuck with whatever officials you end up with as a coach, or whatever partners you end up with as an official, and there's nothing you can do about it. That is the gist of what you're saying.
Unless you have some influence that most of us do not have, then the answer is a big fat YES!!

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I guess it's just me, then, that has a problem with this attitude. When you choose to do something, you should do it because you want to, and do it well. Not do it so you can take home large amounts of money regardless of whether you do a good job or not.
I did not say you are the only person with this feeling. I am saying that there is not a lot you can do about it by complaining here. If you feel there is a problem, take it to the people that assign the games or run the tournament. If they trust your opinion, maybe things will change. If they do not trust your opinion, then things will stay the same. The reality is assignors are only going to do so much during the summer. Many times the same assignors I deal with during the summer are not the same people I deal with during the regular season. The assignors I work with during the summer just want to fill the games. They are not as concerned as who works the games. Maybe that is very similar to your area.

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Maybe that's my opinion because I have a job that I enjoy. I officiate because I enjoy it. If I don't enjoy doing something, I do my best at it, and choose not to do it again. That's all.
OK.

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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 10:38am
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IMHO, refs who are being lazy because they are working too many games in a row should cut back on the number of games they accept.
Unfortunately that's not possible many times. I've found myself in situations where there weren't enough offiicals to work games, and we were pretty much forced to work a lot of games to get the tourney completed. It has nothing to do with "being lazy." You're fortunate if you've never been in that sitch but I have and I'm not going to kill myself during the process.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jul 3rd, 2005 at 01:26 AM]
I had our assignor once tell me that he needed me to work six games in a row or we wouldn't get coverage for a particular tournament. I told him, "three is my max because my quality deteriorates after that both mentally and physically." He ended up getting it covered... it just took him a few more phone calls than he wanted to make. Off-season ball is almost a perfect supply-and-demand market. The tournaments will find plenty of officials if they raise their pay high enough.

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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 10:39am
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I was referring to, in the original post, where someone gets hurt because of that. People have gotten sued for that.
Again, who do you know that has been sued?
Personally no one, however, if people didn't get sued, we woulnd't need liability insurance. I'm sure if I had to search, I could come up with some court cases.
I anxiously await your research. In the meantime, let's base our discussion on facts, IOW, things we know to be true.

David, officiating is like every other job is this world. There are those that are great and there are those that are lousy. There are those that are dedicated and there are those that don't give a $hit. There are those that will always do their best and those....well, hopefully you get the picture. In the end, there's very little you can do about it, except complain on an Internet discussion forum.
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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 10:51am
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IMHO, refs who are being lazy because they are working too many games in a row should cut back on the number of games they accept.
Unfortunately that's not possible many times. I've found myself in situations where there weren't enough offiicals to work games, and we were pretty much forced to work a lot of games to get the tourney completed. It has nothing to do with "being lazy." You're fortunate if you've never been in that sitch but I have and I'm not going to kill myself during the process.
I had our assignor once tell me that he needed me to work six games in a row or we wouldn't get coverage for a particular tournament. I told him, "three is my max because my quality deteriorates after that both mentally and physically." He ended up getting it covered... it just took him a few more phone calls than he wanted to make. Off-season ball is almost a perfect supply-and-demand market. The tournaments will find plenty of officials if they raise their pay high enough.

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Well, good. We aren't always so fortunate here.

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Old Sun Jul 03, 2005, 11:38pm
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IMHO, refs who are being lazy because they are working too many games in a row should cut back on the number of games they accept.
Unfortunately that's not possible many times. I've found myself in situations where there weren't enough offiicals to work games, and we were pretty much forced to work a lot of games to get the tourney completed. It has nothing to do with "being lazy." You're fortunate if you've never been in that sitch but I have and I'm not going to kill myself during the process.
I had our assignor once tell me that he needed me to work six games in a row or we wouldn't get coverage for a particular tournament. I told him, "three is my max because my quality deteriorates after that both mentally and physically." He ended up getting it covered... it just took him a few more phone calls than he wanted to make. Off-season ball is almost a perfect supply-and-demand market. The tournaments will find plenty of officials if they raise their pay high enough.

Z
Well, good. We aren't always so fortunate here.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jul 3rd, 2005 at 12:03 PM]
Here either. And pay isn't always the issue. Even the well-paying rec leagues get people who are just in it to get the check and go home. That's just life.
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