"Play"

[mick]

Originally posted by johnny1784
In my opinion spoken words of "play", "ball in" are not classified as being mechanics, signals or procedures.

johnny1784,
Major League Baseball has another opinion.

Official Baseball Rules:
"PLAY" is the umpire's order to start the game or resume action following any dead ball."


mick

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by mick

johnny1784,
Major League Baseball has another opinion.

Official Baseball Rules:
"PLAY" is the umpire's order to start the game or resume action following any dead ball."


mick

Yes, I do know and agree with you that the above applies for baseball but to me why not use during basketball games for communication purposes only? For high school basketball, resume play begins with a whistle, hand (bounce only on sideline) ball to thrower and signal to start clock appropriately when touched in bounds.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by johnny1784
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For high school basketball, resume play begins with a whistle, hand (bounce only on sideline) ball to thrower and signal to start clock appropriately when touched in bounds.
[/B][/QUOTE]On an ordinary throw-in? And where may I find that directive?

[mick]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

For high school basketball, resume play begins with a whistle, hand (bounce only on sideline) ball to thrower and signal to start clock appropriately when touched in bounds.
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On an ordinary throw-in? And where may I find that directive? [/B][/QUOTE]

Football manual?
Volleyball manual?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by mick

On an ordinary throw-in? And where may I find that directive? [/B]

Football manual?
Volleyball manual?
[/B][/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that it ain't in the basketball manual. I've been wrong before though, so I'll await enlightenment.

[johnny1784]

For high school basketball, resume play begins with a whistle, hand (bounce only on sideline) ball to thrower and signal to start clock appropriately when touched in bounds.
[/B][/QUOTE]On an ordinary throw-in? And where may I find that directive? [/B][/QUOTE]

Football manual?
Volleyball manual?
[/B][/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure that it ain't in the basketball manual. I've been wrong before though, so I'll await enlightenment. [/B][/QUOTE]

It is in the manual but you're correct that it would only apply after a long delay, between quarters and after a time-out/injury.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
I've been wrong before though, so I'll await enlightenment.

We've been awaiting your enlightenment for years...

However, I agree with you. There is a comment about blowing the whistle after an undue delay of some sort, but there is no whistle or spoken mechanic for starting a normal OOB play. It is exactly like the tipped (foul) ball signal. Just because you see several people use it doesn't mean its acceptable. As officials we need to be as uniform and consistent as possible, because that is our communication. The communication needs to be the same in Philly, Dallas and Portland. It is not our job to bring the other team back from la-la land, if they aren't paying attention. If we do our job correctly, in the proper sequence, then we are in effect penalizing the one team that is ready when they're supposed to be, if the other team isn't ready.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by M&M Guy
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We've been awaiting your enlightenment for years... [/B][/QUOTE]That would be the same as me taking my head out my stanchion,right?

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
That would be the same as me taking my head out my stanchion,right?

Only if it's tipping.

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by M&M Guy

We've been awaiting your enlightenment for years...

However, I agree with you. There is a comment about blowing the whistle after an undue delay of some sort, but there is no whistle or spoken mechanic for starting a normal OOB play. It is exactly like the tipped (foul) ball signal. Just because you see several people use it doesn't mean its acceptable. As officials we need to be as uniform and consistent as possible, because that is our communication. The communication needs to be the same in Philly, Dallas and Portland. It is not our job to bring the other team back from la-la land, if they aren't paying attention. If we do our job correctly, in the proper sequence, then we are in effect penalizing the one team that is ready when they're supposed to be, if the other team isn't ready.

Valid points but you or my written post was misunderstood. I am referring to resumption of play and not when team A is late or won’t stand at the requested spot. I merely was using a comical moment when the thrower has his/her attention on team players or coach. No where in the manuals does it stipulate an official can not speak out loud to a player. May be your state association and or district area association does not permit certain communications during a throw-in but one should amend to use professional communication skills when necessary.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Only if it's tipping.

Speaking of tipping...JR is so cheap he thinks tipping is a city in China....hey, is this thing on...?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Speaking of tipping...JR is so cheap he thinks tipping is a city in China....hey, is this thing on...?

Wrong thread. I'm pretty sure there's one in the General forum where your "material" would fit.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by johnny1784
Valid points but you or my written post was misunderstood. I am referring to resumption of play and not when team A is late or won’t stand at the requested spot. I merely was using a comical moment when the thrower has his/her attention on team players or coach. No where in the manuals does it stipulate an official can not speak out loud to a player. May be your state association and or district area association does not permit certain communications during a throw-in but one should amend to use professional communication skills when necessary.

Communication is essential. I'm not saying we shouldn't communicate with the players, I'm just against the announcment-type comment, "Play!". Or, "Ready!". Or, "I'm going to hand the ball to the player that's out-of-bounds, so I sure hope everyone is ready to go, because I sure am!" It just draws too much attention to us when it's not necessary. I almost always say something to the player as I'm handing (or bouncing) the ball to them. "You're on the spot." "Ready, 22?" "Got the right play from coach?" But it's just between me and the player, not the big, overall announcement.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Speaking of tipping...JR is so cheap he thinks tipping is a city in China....hey, is this thing on...?

Thank you very much for coming. Dan will be in the General Forum all week.

Drive safely, and don't forget to tip your waitress.

Which is different than tipping a cow.

(Oh, oh. Dan, I may be joining you over there shortly.)

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Communication is essential. I'm not saying we shouldn't communicate with the players, I'm just against the announcment-type comment, "Play!". Or, "Ready!". Or, "I'm going to hand the ball to the player that's out-of-bounds, so I sure hope everyone is ready to go, because I sure am!" It just draws too much attention to us when it's not necessary. I almost always say something to the player as I'm handing (or bouncing) the ball to them. "You're on the spot." "Ready, 22?" "Got the right play from coach?" But it's just between me and the player, not the big, overall announcement.

For me, a fair amount of the time, the player I'm handing the ball to needs the "big overall announcement." If I skip that part, we never do get a throw-in carried out.

Is it too late in this thread to go off on a tangent? What do you do when you're ready to hand the ball for the throw-in, and the player who is supposed to do the actual throwing is standing just in-bounds, waiting for everyone to be in place? Do you just wait? When is this delay? When do you say something? When is it illegal?