The Finals - Game 1

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I don't agree, and apparently neither does the NCAA.

It's just another in a series of annoying comercials.

Oh, yeah !!???
(snappy comeback, eh?)
mick

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by w_sohl
I don't think the NCAA has really had to deal with this type of RECRUITING before therefore they don't really know what to do, and they aren't going to do anything till member institutions start speaking up.

I'm afraid that you're uninfomred with regards to this. ADs, school presidents and conference commissioners complained about the add throughout the NCAA tournament, with the same complaints that you're voicing. THey weren't complaining because he does commercials but because the commercials were aired during a recuriting dead period, the NCAA tourney. The NCAA and Miles Brand released a statement saying that the commercials did not violate any NCAA regualtions.

As for airing them during the NBA Finals, if it's recruiting, it's recruiting. We aren't currently in a dead period. So while I mute the commercial when it comes on for reasons that mick and rainmaker have already stated, I don't see an issue from a recruiting standpoint. He's allowed to recruit at this time.

[26 Year Gap]

They should have taped the commercial at the DeanDome.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by w_sohl

It is an unfair recruiting tool and if you don't think Coach K saw it that when when he signed up you are sadly mistaken. If they are going to run those commercials they should run them regionaly or have one for EVERY D1 school that participates in basketball. It is a recruiting tool disguised as an American Express commercial.

I'm no fan of the constant Kryzewski commercials, but Duke definately doesn't need a car commercial to help them in the basketball recruiting department . . .

[BktBallRef]

Actually, we're talking about the American Express commercial.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by w_sohl
It is a recruiting tool period. It undoubtedly affects kids decisions when they see this.

Let's get real here for a second.

99.9999999+% of all HS varsity players have absolutely zero chance of getting a letter from Duke, let alone getting a look from any Duke assistant coach.

Of those who are seriously recruited, how many do you think will make their decision based on some American Express commercial they might have seen on TV?

[w_sohl]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
I'm no fan of the constant Kryzewski commercials, but Duke definately doesn't need a car commercial to help them in the basketball recruiting department . . .

I know they don't need it, but it sure as h*ll doesn't hurt...

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Let's get real here for a second.

99.9999999+% of all HS varsity players have absolutely zero chance of getting a letter from Duke, let alone getting a look from any Duke assistant coach.

Of those who are seriously recruited, how many do you think will make their decision based on some American Express commercial they might have seen on TV?

Actually, teenagers make such decisions on things much sillier than a commercial. When a recruit gets down to making a choice between two perennial powerhouses, very small things can make a difference. The commercial is basically no different that a video a recruit might see while on a visit to a school, with the exception that there are no players in the commercial.

[w_sohl]

Amen BktBallRef

[jr]

Q: So, if the offensive player drives to the basket, beating his defender and some interior defender comes over to help out, then if contact occurs within the RA, its a block, correct? Is the line part of the RA? Do both feet have to be within the RA? Can the feet be on the line and the player still be considered in the RA?

A: right...if the drive starts outside (above) the lower defensive box (ldb) and the defender (any defender) obtains a legal guarding position outside the restricted area (ra), it is a charge. the line is part of the r.a....according to the rules, if the foot of the defender is on the line of the r.a., it should be considered a defensive foul...

if the drive starts below the l.d.b....the defender can take a charge within the r.a....EXACTLY what was called in game 1...

[mick]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Thoughts-

-I don't care where he's from, Manu Ginobilli is one of the best players in the league.

"Now in his third NBA season, Ginobili has already won an NBA title, an Olympic gold medal and a silver medal from the 2002 World Championships. He was a two-time MVP of the Italian League and the 2001 Euroleague finals MVP -- quite a collection of hardware for someone only 27 years old."

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Actually, teenagers make such decisions on things much sillier than a commercial. When a recruit gets down to making a choice between two perennial powerhouses, very small things can make a difference. The commercial is basically no different that a video a recruit might see while on a visit to a school, with the exception that there are no players in the commercial.

IMO it's highly unlikely that any player recruited seriously by a number of teams at Duke's level will make his mind up based on an American Express commercial. He's more likely to be influenced by his AAU coach who in turn is getting 'advice' from a sneaker company under the table. I suppose it could happen your way, but it's highly unlikely. In any event it's impossible to eliminate from the media all the 'silly' influences on a teenaged recruit. You can't stop the recruit from walking down the sports aisle at the Barnes & Nobles or make him cancel his subscription to Sports Illustrated. What is truly 'silly' though is to whine that a commercial for a credit card company is somehow giving a huge and unfair advantage to a particular school.

I don't see it that way and apparently neither does the NCAA.

[BktBallRef]

Hmmmm, I didn't know that discussing an issue was "whining about it". I guess we need to get rid of this officiating whining board if that's all we do here.

While it may be silly to you, evidently it's not silly to the dozens of D1 school presidents and athletic directors who have complained to the NCAA about the spots. There's been a great deal of dialogue about it and I don't think that it's over. I see both sides of the debate but personally I couldn't care less about the recruiting aspects. You'll note that I haven't advocated wither side. I'm just discussing the issue.

And say what you want about the commercial, it has nothing to do with using a credit card. If that didn't display the AE logo at the end of it, you'd never know it was a credit card spot. The commercial is about Coach K and how successful he and his program have been.

Finally, I'm tired of the stupid commercial.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Hmmmm, I didn't know that discussing an issue was "whining about it". I guess we need to get rid of this officiating whining board if that's all we do here.

While it may be silly to you, evidently it's not silly to the dozens of D1 school presidents and athletic directors who have complained to the NCAA about the spots. There's been a great deal of dialogue about it and I don't think that it's over. I see both sides of the debate but personally I couldn't care less about the recruiting aspects. You'll note that I haven't advocated wither side. I'm just discussing the issue.

And say what you want about the commercial, it has nothing to do with using a credit card. If that didn't display the AE logo at the end of it, you'd never know it was a credit card spot. The commercial is about Coach K and how successful he and his program have been.

Finally, I'm tired of the stupid commercial.

I didn't mean to imply you're whining about it. But a lot of the complaints do amount to just a lot of whining about a silly commercial.

And of course the commercial is about the coach, AE is paying him - and others btw - to attach their names to their brand. You wanna be like Coach K, a succesful basketball coach & West Point grad? Use the AE card. Or maybe you wanna be like Robert Deniro, he's a tough guy who lives in downtown NY. Or maybe you just want to be more like Ellen. We don't care, just use our damn card.

[Jimgolf]

Originally posted by w_sohl

It is a recruiting tool period.

Actually, it's a commercial. Don't you have a remote control?

No one watches commercials, especially kids under 18.

Plus if they did see it, I suspect they'd be just as annoyed as you were.

It might drive some players to NC!

Except that no one watches commercials.