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mplagrow Fri May 20, 2005 09:08pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Better than jump ball
 
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Actually, I'm excellent at tossing the ball.
That's not what Julie said...........

When we work together, she usually lets me toss. My method is simple (really - no joke). I pick a spot about 3 feet higher than the taller of the jumpers, midway between the two. Then I "shot put" the ball to that spot, while looking only at the spot.

It works really well for me and I can't ever remember having my partner call a re-jump due to a bad toss.

However, I once worked with a partner from England who said it really wasn't a good idea to get a reputation as a "tosser". ;)

Depends on what you're tossing. Tossing basketballs and coaches is good. Tossing cookies and salads is bad.

Mark Padgett Sat May 21, 2005 01:54pm

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6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

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<LI>Why? It's a team game. Rewards good defense.

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Camron, old buddy, I must disagree on more than one level. First, how does having a defender standing within six feet of a dribbler qualify as "good defense"? Second, in a majority of cases, the defender only "gets in the ball handlers face" and really plays tight defense after A1 has picked up his dribble. Third - a loss of possession is way too harsh a penalty for "letting" someone stand six feet away from you while you are dribbling.

BTW - I'm still waiting for you to comment on point number nine. ;)

mplagrow Sat May 21, 2005 03:46pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett

6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

<OL>

<LI>Why? It's a team game. Rewards good defense.

</OL>
Camron, old buddy, I must disagree on more than one level. First, how does having a defender standing within six feet of a dribbler qualify as "good defense"? Second, in a majority of cases, the defender only "gets in the ball handlers face" and really plays tight defense after A1 has picked up his dribble. Third - a loss of possession is way too harsh a penalty for "letting" someone stand six feet away from you while you are dribbling.

BTW - I'm still waiting for you to comment on point number nine. ;) [/B]
On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Mark Padgett Sat May 21, 2005 06:54pm

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On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Uh-uh. If a team is "stalling" the clock still runs. If you continue to call violations because someone is standing within six feet of a dribbler, the clock stops.

That's one of the reasons I think the five (not on the inbound) and ten second violations should not apply in games with a shot clock.

If you have a 30 second shot clock, what the heck difference does it make if you spend 9 seconds in the back court and 20 in the front court before a shot, or if you spend 20 seconds in the back court and 9 in the front court? With the defense allowed to play full court, it shouldn't matter.

If your goal is to "force the action", then put in a twenty second shot clock.

[Edited by mark padgett on May 21st, 2005 at 07:57 PM]

mplagrow Sat May 21, 2005 11:36pm

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On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Uh-uh. If a team is "stalling" the clock still runs. If you continue to call violations because someone is standing within six feet of a dribbler, the clock stops.

That's one of the reasons I think the five (not on the inbound) and ten second violations should not apply in games with a shot clock.

If you have a 30 second shot clock, what the heck difference does it make if you spend 9 seconds in the back court and 20 in the front court before a shot, or if you spend 20 seconds in the back court and 9 in the front court? With the defense allowed to play full court, it shouldn't matter.

If your goal is to "force the action", then put in a twenty second shot clock.

[Edited by mark padgett on May 21st, 2005 at 07:57 PM]

I agree with that. If there's a shot clock, let them spend all the time in the back court that they want.

Camron Rust Sun May 22, 2005 04:09pm

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On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Uh-uh. If a team is "stalling" the clock still runs. If you continue to call violations because someone is standing within six feet of a dribbler, the clock stops.

That's one of the reasons I think the five (not on the inbound) and ten second violations should not apply in games with a shot clock.

If you have a 30 second shot clock, what the heck difference does it make if you spend 9 seconds in the back court and 20 in the front court before a shot, or if you spend 20 seconds in the back court and 9 in the front court? With the defense allowed to play full court, it shouldn't matter.

If your goal is to "force the action", then put in a twenty second shot clock.

To have a backcourt or closely guarded count creates balance between defense and offense. You may not agree with the specific balance point but it does affect it.

Without it, the offense has 84 feet of playing space to work with until the end of quarter or shot clock. By having an intermediate requirement, it shifts the balance in favor of the defense.

Larks Mon May 23, 2005 07:31am

I think a coin toss vs. jump ball would be better than home team in 1st and 4th. This way AP works the whole game.

Junker Mon May 23, 2005 02:20pm

Ask any Iowa official that works girls and you'll learn that the coin toss stinks. I'd rather jump it up any day. My big rules change would be to (as we do in girls here in Iowa) leave the bottom lane space open on free throws. I think it gets rid some fouls.


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