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Mark Padgett Fri May 20, 2005 02:50pm

If my role as Galactic Emperor extended to making the NF rules for basketball, here's what I would do:

1) No jump to start game - home gets ball to start 1st and 4th, visitors to start 2nd and 3rd. Jump for OT.

2) No one-and-one - on seventh team foul of half, two shots, on tenth team foul, three to make two.

3) No automatic possession on a T. Use POI.

4) Only players on the floor can request a TO. No particular reason except it would piss off the coaches, which is cool.

5) Allow players on the FT lane to go in on the release. The game should be for manly men (and women).

6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

7) Eliminate five second closedly guarded and ten second backcourt violation in all games with a shot clock. Eliminate redundancy.

8) End the nonsense of allowing more than one player OOB after a made or awarded score. I've yet to hear a logical reason to allow it.

9) Allow players to play with nipple rings, if they're taped.

mplagrow Fri May 20, 2005 03:17pm

I'm still holding out for the 8 foot rim.

canuckrefguy Fri May 20, 2005 03:25pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
If my role as Galactic Emperor extended to making the NF rules for basketball, here's what I would do:

1) No jump to start game - home gets ball to start 1st and 4th, visitors to start 2nd and 3rd. Jump for OT.

2) No one-and-one - on seventh team foul of half, two shots, on tenth team foul, three to make two.

3) No automatic possession on a T. Use POI.

4) Only players on the floor can request a TO. No particular reason except it would piss off the coaches, which is cool.

5) Allow players on the FT lane to go in on the release. The game should be for manly men (and women).

6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

7) Eliminate five second closedly guarded and ten second backcourt violation in all games with a shot clock. Eliminate redundancy.

8) End the nonsense of allowing more than one player OOB after a made or awarded score. I've yet to hear a logical reason to allow it.

9) Allow players to play with nipple rings, if they're taped.

Hmmm...

1) Dumb idea. Jump's a great, dramatic way to begin the contest. I suppose you'd eliminate the opening kickoff from football too, eh?

2) No 1-and-1 - give offended team chance for minimum of two free throws....sounds a lot like FIBA :D

5) I didn't know players on the lane had to wait for rim contact in NFHS...you learn something new every day!

6) No five second count on dribble - a rule modifiation that Canada's been using for years!

9) Something tells me you'd only want this rule so it would be necessary to check. And that you would restrict yourself to working womens' games - in Florida and California. Or Sweden :p

mplagrow Fri May 20, 2005 03:28pm

Better than jump ball
 
Why not skip the jump ball and do like the XFL. Start with the ball on the floor at midcourt and have two players spring to get control of it. Or how about building a shoot to drop the ball in the middle of the game, kind of like foosball?

canuckrefguy Fri May 20, 2005 03:30pm

Re: Better than jump ball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mplagrow
Or how about building a shoot to drop the ball in the middle of the game, kind of like foosball?
LOL :D


rainmaker Fri May 20, 2005 04:11pm

I just saw the title, and the name of the "Thread Starter" and I called Mary. "Hey, he forget his meds today!!"

Snake~eyes Fri May 20, 2005 04:28pm

Re: Re: Better than jump ball
 
Jumpball is part of the game, not sure what's so bad about it.

Mark, you must be bad at tossing the ball, as the R you should just make the U1 do it instead.

Mark Padgett Fri May 20, 2005 04:40pm

Re: Re: Re: Better than jump ball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Jumpball is part of the game, not sure what's so bad about it.

Mark, you must be bad at tossing the ball, as the R you should just make the U1 do it instead.

Actually, I'm excellent at tossing the ball. That's not the point. The opening jump just gives players a chance to start pushing and elbowing each other. I'd like to delay that until at least the first trip down the floor.

Mark Padgett Fri May 20, 2005 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
I just saw the title, and the name of the "Thread Starter" and I called Mary. "Hey, he forget his meds today!!"
My wife (actually spelled Merri) just came upstairs and handed me an appointment slip for yet another lobotomy (for me, not her).

Thanks, Juulie.

BTW - I've told Juulie before that my wife doesn't have a very high opinion of men to begin with. Here's three examples:

1) She thinks The Three Stooges movies are documentaries.
2) She says the only reason men walk upright is because 7-11 puts the beer on the top shelf.
3) She has a keychain that says, "Mens are like dogs - dumb but trainable".

The only reason she has put up with me all these years is she keeps herself heavily sedated.

rainmaker Fri May 20, 2005 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
I just saw the title, and the name of the "Thread Starter" and I called Mary. "Hey, he forget his meds today!!"
My wife (actually spelled Merri) just came upstairs and handed me an appointment slip for yet another lobotomy (for me, not her).

Thanks, Juulie.

BTW - I've told Juulie before that my wife doesn't have a very high opinion of men to begin with. Here's three examples:

1) She thinks The Three Stooges movies are documentaries.
2) She says the only reason men walk upright is because 7-11 puts the beer on the top shelf.
3) She has a keychain that says, "Mens are like dogs - dumb but trainable".

The only reason she has put up with me all these years is she keeps herself heavily sedated.

All this is why I don't spell her name M-E-R-R-Y! Shouldn't we be calling her G-L-O-O-M-Y?!

canuckrefguy Fri May 20, 2005 05:48pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The only reason she has put up with me all these years is she keeps herself heavily sedated.
....with red wine....:D


Camron Rust Fri May 20, 2005 05:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
If my role as Galactic Emperor extended to making the NF rules for basketball, here's what I would do:

1) No jump to start game - home gets ball to start 1st and 4th, visitors to start 2nd and 3rd. Jump for OT.

2) No one-and-one - on seventh team foul of half, two shots, on tenth team foul, three to make two.

3) No automatic possession on a T. Use POI.

4) Only players on the floor can request a TO. No particular reason except it would piss off the coaches, which is cool.

5) Allow players on the FT lane to go in on the release. The game should be for manly men (and women).

6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

7) Eliminate five second closedly guarded and ten second backcourt violation in all games with a shot clock. Eliminate redundancy.

8) End the nonsense of allowing more than one player OOB after a made or awarded score. I've yet to hear a logical reason to allow it.

9) Allow players to play with nipple rings, if they're taped.

<OL>
<LI>Why? It works fine as it is.
<LI>Why? 1+1 then 2 is a good step..you get some for free and then the price goes up.
<LI>Agree
<LI>Agree
<LI>On the rim works better. Too many HS officials couldn't manage it correctly and there were near bloodbaths under the boards that went uncalled if the ball went in.
<LI>Why? It's a team game. Rewards good defense.
<LI>It would only be redundant if they were the same length as the shot clock. All work together to force action in different ways. The 10 second count reduces the size of the floor that the defense has to cover to force a turnover. The 5 second count makes it a team game.
<LI>Team may make the throwin from anywhere OOB along that line. There is no spot designated nor any thrower designated. Why prohibit it?
</OL>

Mark Padgett Fri May 20, 2005 06:28pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
If my role as Galactic Emperor extended to making the NF rules for basketball, here's what I would do:

1) No jump to start game - home gets ball to start 1st and 4th, visitors to start 2nd and 3rd. Jump for OT.

2) No one-and-one - on seventh team foul of half, two shots, on tenth team foul, three to make two.

3) No automatic possession on a T. Use POI.

4) Only players on the floor can request a TO. No particular reason except it would piss off the coaches, which is cool.

5) Allow players on the FT lane to go in on the release. The game should be for manly men (and women).

6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

7) Eliminate five second closedly guarded and ten second backcourt violation in all games with a shot clock. Eliminate redundancy.

8) End the nonsense of allowing more than one player OOB after a made or awarded score. I've yet to hear a logical reason to allow it.

9) Allow players to play with nipple rings, if they're taped.

<OL>
<LI>Why? It works fine as it is.
<LI>Why? 1+1 then 2 is a good step..you get some for free and then the price goes up.
<LI>Agree
<LI>Agree
<LI>On the rim works better. Too many HS officials couldn't manage it correctly and there were near bloodbaths under the boards that went uncalled if the ball went in.
<LI>Why? It's a team game. Rewards good defense.
<LI>It would only be redundant if they were the same length as the shot clock. All work together to force action in different ways. The 10 second count reduces the size of the floor that the defense has to cover to force a turnover. The 5 second count makes it a team game.
<LI>Team may make the throwin from anywhere OOB along that line. There is no spot designated nor any thrower designated. Why prohibit it?
</OL>

I see you didn't comment on number 9. ;)

Snake~eyes Fri May 20, 2005 07:21pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Better than jump ball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Actually, I'm excellent at tossing the ball.
That's not what Julie said...........

Mark Padgett Fri May 20, 2005 08:38pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Better than jump ball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Actually, I'm excellent at tossing the ball.
That's not what Julie said...........

When we work together, she usually lets me toss. My method is simple (really - no joke). I pick a spot about 3 feet higher than the taller of the jumpers, midway between the two. Then I "shot put" the ball to that spot, while looking only at the spot.

It works really well for me and I can't ever remember having my partner call a re-jump due to a bad toss.

However, I once worked with a partner from England who said it really wasn't a good idea to get a reputation as a "tosser". ;)

mplagrow Fri May 20, 2005 09:08pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Better than jump ball
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Actually, I'm excellent at tossing the ball.
That's not what Julie said...........

When we work together, she usually lets me toss. My method is simple (really - no joke). I pick a spot about 3 feet higher than the taller of the jumpers, midway between the two. Then I "shot put" the ball to that spot, while looking only at the spot.

It works really well for me and I can't ever remember having my partner call a re-jump due to a bad toss.

However, I once worked with a partner from England who said it really wasn't a good idea to get a reputation as a "tosser". ;)

Depends on what you're tossing. Tossing basketballs and coaches is good. Tossing cookies and salads is bad.

Mark Padgett Sat May 21, 2005 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

<OL>

<LI>Why? It's a team game. Rewards good defense.

</OL> [/B]
Camron, old buddy, I must disagree on more than one level. First, how does having a defender standing within six feet of a dribbler qualify as "good defense"? Second, in a majority of cases, the defender only "gets in the ball handlers face" and really plays tight defense after A1 has picked up his dribble. Third - a loss of possession is way too harsh a penalty for "letting" someone stand six feet away from you while you are dribbling.

BTW - I'm still waiting for you to comment on point number nine. ;)

mplagrow Sat May 21, 2005 03:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

6) No five second closely guarded if player is dribbling. Have the rule only on holding the ball.

<OL>

<LI>Why? It's a team game. Rewards good defense.

</OL>
Camron, old buddy, I must disagree on more than one level. First, how does having a defender standing within six feet of a dribbler qualify as "good defense"? Second, in a majority of cases, the defender only "gets in the ball handlers face" and really plays tight defense after A1 has picked up his dribble. Third - a loss of possession is way too harsh a penalty for "letting" someone stand six feet away from you while you are dribbling.

BTW - I'm still waiting for you to comment on point number nine. ;) [/B]
On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Mark Padgett Sat May 21, 2005 06:54pm

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Originally posted by mplagrow


On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Uh-uh. If a team is "stalling" the clock still runs. If you continue to call violations because someone is standing within six feet of a dribbler, the clock stops.

That's one of the reasons I think the five (not on the inbound) and ten second violations should not apply in games with a shot clock.

If you have a 30 second shot clock, what the heck difference does it make if you spend 9 seconds in the back court and 20 in the front court before a shot, or if you spend 20 seconds in the back court and 9 in the front court? With the defense allowed to play full court, it shouldn't matter.

If your goal is to "force the action", then put in a twenty second shot clock.

[Edited by mark padgett on May 21st, 2005 at 07:57 PM]

mplagrow Sat May 21, 2005 11:36pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by mplagrow


On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Uh-uh. If a team is "stalling" the clock still runs. If you continue to call violations because someone is standing within six feet of a dribbler, the clock stops.

That's one of the reasons I think the five (not on the inbound) and ten second violations should not apply in games with a shot clock.

If you have a 30 second shot clock, what the heck difference does it make if you spend 9 seconds in the back court and 20 in the front court before a shot, or if you spend 20 seconds in the back court and 9 in the front court? With the defense allowed to play full court, it shouldn't matter.

If your goal is to "force the action", then put in a twenty second shot clock.

[Edited by mark padgett on May 21st, 2005 at 07:57 PM]

I agree with that. If there's a shot clock, let them spend all the time in the back court that they want.

Camron Rust Sun May 22, 2005 04:09pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by mplagrow


On the other hand, if you've got no shot clock, this penalty can keep the game moving when a team is trying to stall.

Uh-uh. If a team is "stalling" the clock still runs. If you continue to call violations because someone is standing within six feet of a dribbler, the clock stops.

That's one of the reasons I think the five (not on the inbound) and ten second violations should not apply in games with a shot clock.

If you have a 30 second shot clock, what the heck difference does it make if you spend 9 seconds in the back court and 20 in the front court before a shot, or if you spend 20 seconds in the back court and 9 in the front court? With the defense allowed to play full court, it shouldn't matter.

If your goal is to "force the action", then put in a twenty second shot clock.

To have a backcourt or closely guarded count creates balance between defense and offense. You may not agree with the specific balance point but it does affect it.

Without it, the offense has 84 feet of playing space to work with until the end of quarter or shot clock. By having an intermediate requirement, it shifts the balance in favor of the defense.

Larks Mon May 23, 2005 07:31am

I think a coin toss vs. jump ball would be better than home team in 1st and 4th. This way AP works the whole game.

Junker Mon May 23, 2005 02:20pm

Ask any Iowa official that works girls and you'll learn that the coin toss stinks. I'd rather jump it up any day. My big rules change would be to (as we do in girls here in Iowa) leave the bottom lane space open on free throws. I think it gets rid some fouls.


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