New Uniform Rule

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by deecee
that I am the only one who ever passes on anything -- which is why it only took me 3 years to get to a 4 rating as well as almost get my varsity schedule -- btw im 25 -- and also i have been evaluated by 6 guys -- 1 is our associations head of rules and 2 board members and i also ony t'd up 1 coach in 3 years and i have never left a game with that "what the hell just happened feeling" or should we have done something different -- Their 3 biggest knocks on me and I know this -- mechanics, pants couple inches to long, we might disagree on a call or two during the game.

the only discussion i have had with a coach because of my style of officiating is that he would rather I not use advantage/disadvantage --

And one more thing I guarantee you guys would like working with me because I help you out -- most officials dont know a damn thing about walking down a coach after you make a call -- ill get in there and have you switch with me and ill take the heat if i have to -- so no need to be so anal about "you're a bad ref"

I just officiate differently and in the end the only train wrecks that have happend in any of my games have been because they were just horrible teams or my partner and i started calling it to tight -- but the later can be adjusted with a simple meeting during a timeout "hey partner how bout we swallow our whistle for a while and let the game get a flow if it can" if it can't then were in for a long night.

So hey what can I say -- anything that happens on my court i can back it up to a coach or a player -- if a coach is adamant i call something that i am passing on i oblige -- and you know it effects his team as well because if i call something on one side i call it on the other.

You guys are aware people can dribble now to advance the ball up the court???

Let's see you are in an area with what you have said has terrible play, so one could gather that it is not that big of an accomplishment to get a varsity schedule.

So does your resume give any credence to your philosophy?

So you pick and choose what to call.

You allow a coach to change how you call a game.

Every "train wreck" was because of something other than you.

And you'll take the heat from a coach, so we should all just love to work with you.

A universal concept in officiating is consistency. Just how can you be consistent when you keep adding factors to your decision?

[M&M Guy]

I used to be 25 at one time. And I used to know as much as you. But a funny thing happened on my way to getting older - I found I didn't know as much as I thought I did.

I think it's safe to say there are times we've all passed on a call for one reason or another. The key to being good is knowing when to pass and when to make the call. One of the worst reasons for not making a call, however, is by stating you don't like the rule for whatever reason. It's not our job to pick and choose what rules we like and don't like. In almost all of your examples you have done the the kids a disservice by not enforcing the rules as written. In your OOB examples where a foot may by just in or out and you pass - you've screwed the other team out a possesion by not giving them the ball when they deserve it. When a player palms the ball to call out a play, and you pass, you've screwed the other team again because the first team got an unfair advantage by being able to do something against the rules AND call out a play. I would certainly call that an unfair advantage.

My guess is you are afraid to make the these calls, and justify your actions by saying it's a good thing to pass on these calls. Does it bother you when the coach asks you "Geez, how could make that call?" Well, how do you respond to the other coach who sees the foot on the line, sees you looking at it, and asks, "How do you NOT make that call?" Knowing WHEN to make or pass on a call is important, not just being able to pass on it.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox. Man, I'm grumpy when I haven't had my dinner yet.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by deecee
close game -- ball flying OOB and player goes to dive out to save it -- about half an inch of his shoe touches the line -- I pass...I can always say that i didn't see his foot touch the line

I *could* possibly, by some weird, twisted, stretch of the imagination see passing on any of the other fouls/violations you listed. But ignore a clear OOB violation?

Heck, they don't even do that in the . . . wait for it . . . SEC.

[deecee]

of anythin else to type to get you guys into more of a frenzy --

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by deecee
of anythin else to type to get you guys into more of a frenzy --

Well, most of us had already figgered out that you were only a troll anyway. Kinda obvious you're not an official.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Heck, they don't even do that in the . . . wait for it . . . SEC.

You sure?

Hey, Mark, JR, now that I've had dinner I'm a little calmer and willing to cut deecee some slack. He might not be a troll, just misinformed. I mean, I remember being told in my younger days not to call everything and be a Rule Book Ronnie (apologies to all named Ron). So maybe he's taken that advice to heart and it has morphed into its current state. Maybe we just need to help show him the error of his ways, and get him back on the right track. That is what this site is about - helping out the wayward sons (oops: and daughters) and bring them back into the fold?

[deecee]

i might have turned some coaches and players green...but troll --

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by deecee
i might have turned some coaches and players green...but troll --

Don't forget a few members of this forum as well...

[gsf23]

Originally posted by deecee

player goes for a layup -- defense establishes position almost under the ring and gets hit by offensive player going for layup -- in high school thats a charge -- I pass -- you don't play defense under the ring on a layup...

post play -- defense has 2 hands on the offense and then proceeds to armbar -- Illegal -- I pass...unless I think hes pushing or guiding the offensive players...

close game -- ball flying OOB and player goes to dive out to save it -- about half an inch of his shoe touches the line -- I pass...I can always say that i didn't see his foot touch the line

before the game i realize that the baskets are only 9 feet high -- O well I guess that will be the closest thing to the NBA feeling for those kids that game... [/B]

Well...I tell you what, if you let this go in any game that I am coaching and I guarantee that you would be T'ing up your second coach, and I would tell the AD and your assignor that I never wanted you back again. Enforce the rules you are supposed to enforce. I could care less if it benefits me or not, I cannot stand officials that pick and choose what rules to enforce.

And, if you ever told me "well I may be passing on this for them, but I am passing on this for your team" you'd better be ready to eject me because the next words out of my mouth would be what I thought of your officiating and it wouldn't be pleasant.

You talk about coaching, well I only have time to coach my kids how to play the game ACCORDING TO THE RULEBOOK. I don't have time to teach them how to play the game according to what every different official THINKS the rules should be.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by deecee

player goes for a layup -- defense establishes position almost under the ring and gets hit by offensive player going for layup -- in high school thats a charge -- I pass -- you don't play defense under the ring on a layup...

Defense is putting yourself in the desired path of the opponent with the intent of forcing him to go a less desireable direction. Defense near the basket is no different. The shooter has the choice to pull up for a short jumper or otherwise changes directions. If they don't, call the PC foul. The defense took away their line and deserves the call.

Originally posted by deecee

post play -- defense has 2 hands on the offense and then proceeds to armbar -- Illegal -- I pass...unless I think hes pushing or guiding the offensive players...

Originally posted by deecee

close game -- ball flying OOB and player goes to dive out to save it -- about half an inch of his shoe touches the line -- I pass...I can always say that i didn't see his foot touch the line

Call it. Why reward an almost successful attempt at saving a bad pass. Making stuff up never helps us.

Originally posted by deecee

10 minutes before the game visiting team doesn't have roster filled out -- I T the crap out of them -- just kidding -- i ask them where they are with it and if they are in the process of completing it i give them another minute...

Remember that the team must only provide the scorer with the names. While it is the norm and is nice, there is no requirement that they actually be in the official book by the 10 minute mark. Otherwise, the scorer, if they want to be mean, could delay putting them in to force a T on the other team.

Originally posted by deecee

A player has an earring -- I see it half way through the first quarter -- i instruct him it comes out our he wont get back in the game -- I dont want anyone injured...

So? That is the proper procedure.

Originally posted by deecee

before the game i realize that the baskets are only 9 feet high -- O well I guess that will be the closest thing to the NBA feeling for those kids that game...

What else could you do about it? There is no penalty that could be issued. It's not a safety matter so just play the game.



[Edited by Camron Rust on May 19th, 2005 at 04:40 PM]

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by deecee
team A scores a basket and runs down to defense -- team B inbounding the ball has a slight piece of foot inbound during the inbounds pass -- no back court defense I pass...

player bringing the ball up the court with no pressure takes an extra half step before starting dribbling I pass...

player is in the lane for 4 seconds while ball is being passed on the perimeter then starts heading out I pass...

player dribbling in frontcourt with no pressure goes to put one hand over the head to call a play -- palms the ball I pass...

player goes for a layup -- defense establishes position almost under the ring and gets hit by offensive player going for layup -- in high school thats a charge -- I pass -- you don't play defense under the ring on a layup...

post play -- defense has 2 hands on the offense and then proceeds to armbar -- Illegal -- I pass...unless I think hes pushing or guiding the offensive players...

close game -- ball flying OOB and player goes to dive out to save it -- about half an inch of his shoe touches the line -- I pass...I can always say that i didn't see his foot touch the line

10 minutes before the game visiting team doesn't have roster filled out -- I T the crap out of them -- just kidding -- i ask them where they are with it and if they are in the process of completing it i give them another minute...

kids name is like 30 letters -- it almost circles his number on the back -- I let it go...

Team A is red but one player washed their jersey with the wrong load and now instead of RED its a bit lighter but about 90% red -- I pass.

coach walks all the way to the baseline to talk to me -- I talk I dont enforce the coach's box...

A player has an earring -- I see it half way through the first quarter -- i instruct him it comes out our he wont get back in the game -- I dont want anyone injured...

before the game i realize that the baskets are only 9 feet high -- O well I guess that will be the closest thing to the NBA feeling for those kids that game...

I know you have an ego and you are very conceited but you’re 25 years old, rated a #4 who has written some bizarre bb officiating thoughts. I would like to know, what state and association you are a member?

Maybe the NFHS should include posts from OFFICIALFORUM.COM for their 2005-6 'Simplified & Illustrated' books.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by deecee
A player during a HS tournament couple days ago I was officiating took his Jersey off during play and went over to his bench for a drink right after he "towel whipped" his defender with his removed jersey -- It didn't really effect the play or the game so I just issued his team a timeout -- maybe I shoulda hit him with a personal foul now that look back

Troll.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by deecee
A player during a HS tournament couple days ago I was officiating took his Jersey off during play and went over to his bench for a drink right after he "towel whipped" his defender with his removed jersey -- It didn't really effect the play or the game so I just issued his team a timeout -- maybe I shoulda hit him with a personal foul now that look back

The inmates have taken charge of the asylum.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by deecee
if no one sees a foul -- does it really happen?

If we all ignore you will you go away?

[deecee]

for antagonizing you guys -- it just seemed like something i could do to keep me busy when bored at work...

mission accomplished i would say -- but I do appologize for any hairs any of you have lost or that have gone grey on my behalf

have a great weekend --