New Uniform Rule

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by blindzebra

You must have a different rule book, 1-1 is court dimensions in my rule book.

Oops! LOL.

Above rule 1-1, "The intent and purpose of the rules".

[deecee]

why would you call a T for a player changing his uniform on the bench because you asked him to and he has blood on it?

Did him changing his jersey have any effect on the game -- after my second year of officiating i gave up on trying to advance by following the rules to a t...just ref the game, let the kids decide it and play ball.

Half the rulebook is filler to me i just call fouls and violations and if players or coaches cross the line after i tried to talk them back i whack em (in 3 years only 3or4 techs).

If i was the player that had blood on my jersey and i went to change and you t'd me up I guarantee youd be ejecting me very shortly and T'ing up my coach...is that really proper game management -- not to mention from that point on you would have lost all credibility as a crew for issuing that techincal. havent you ever played shirts and skins before?

And my reply to coaches who point out the fact that I overlooked a rule i point out one that i did for their team -- it all evens out.

sorry for the rant but many refs think to much instead of just going with the flow -- if as a player i thought so much i would make so many mistakes. If i make a mistake i acknowledge it to the coach or player and lord knows ive made a few...

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by deecee
why would you call a T for a player changing his uniform on the bench because you asked him to and he has blood on it?

Did him changing his jersey have any effect on the game -- after my second year of officiating i gave up on trying to advance by following the rules to a t...just ref the game, let the kids decide it and play ball.

Half the rulebook is filler to me i just call fouls and violations and if players or coaches cross the line after i tried to talk them back i whack em (in 3 years only 3or4 techs).

If i was the player that had blood on my jersey and i went to change and you t'd me up I guarantee youd be ejecting me very shortly and T'ing up my coach...is that really proper game management -- not to mention from that point on you would have lost all credibility as a crew for issuing that techincal. havent you ever played shirts and skins before?

And my reply to coaches who point out the fact that I overlooked a rule i point out one that i did for their team -- it all evens out.

sorry for the rant but many refs think to much instead of just going with the flow -- if as a player i thought so much i would make so many mistakes. If i make a mistake i acknowledge it to the coach or player and lord knows ive made a few...

Care to elaborate on what is filler and what rules you are overlooking?

I agree that whacking a player for basically doing what you told them is not good, I seriously doubt that despite the exact wording, that this is the spirit and intent of this change.

It is overkill to take away any gray for us, mainly because the Fed was tired of seeing that shirt pull, underware showing, tantrum from players without a T.

Now back to your filler.

It's a fine line between game management and common sense and making up your own rules. Knowing the rules and more importantly the spirit and intent of the rules is what to strive for, but throwing stuff away will bite you in the rear.

[mplagrow]

Originally posted by deecee
why would you call a T for a player changing his uniform on the bench because you asked him to and he has blood on it?

How about because it's the rule?

Did him changing his jersey have any effect on the game -- after my second year of officiating i gave up on trying to advance by following the rules to a t...just ref the game, let the kids decide it and play ball.

If a kid wears earings for a quarter before you notice, do you say it's not havng any effect on the game and let it go? Or do you enforce the rules as written?

Half the rulebook is filler to me. . .

No offense, but what level ball do you ref with that philosophy? Rec? HS??

If i was the player that had blood on my jersey and i went to change and you t'd me up I guarantee youd be ejecting me very shortly and T'ing up my coach...is that really proper game management -- not to mention from that point on you would have lost all credibility as a crew for issuing that techincal. havent you ever played shirts and skins before?

I've played shirts and skins, but it's been a while since I've reffed a HS game that way! If you were a player, would you tell the refs which rules they should or should not enforce to avoid upsetting you and your coach?

And my reply to coaches who point out the fact that I overlooked a rule i point out one that i did for their team -- it all evens out.

If I were coaching, I'd let you know that I'd rather have you use the rule book that we are playing under. Because that's how I taught my players to play the game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by deecee
why would you call a T for a player changing his uniform on the bench because you asked him to and he has blood on it?

Did him changing his jersey have any effect on the game -- after my second year of officiating i gave up on trying to advance by following the rules to a t...just ref the game, let the kids decide it and play ball.

Half the rulebook is filler to me i just call fouls and violations and if players or coaches cross the line after i tried to talk them back i whack em (in 3 years only 3or4 techs).

If i was the player that had blood on my jersey and i went to change and you t'd me up I guarantee youd be ejecting me very shortly and T'ing up my coach...is that really proper game management -- not to mention from that point on you would have lost all credibility as a crew for issuing that techincal. havent you ever played shirts and skins before?

And my reply to coaches who point out the fact that I overlooked a rule i point out one that i did for their team -- it all evens out.

sorry for the rant but many refs think to much instead of just going with the flow -- if as a player i thought so much i would make so many mistakes. If i make a mistake i acknowledge it to the coach or player and lord knows ive made a few...

You're about as far off-base as you could possibly be on this one imo.

Whether you like it or not, the NFHS has issued this RULE. Note RULE!! I can't ever remember reading anything anywhere that says we get to ignore any rules that we don't happen to like or agree with.

If you don't call this RULE, let me suggest that you will be the one losing credibility, not the other officials who do call this RULE. Why? Because it IS proper game management!

Sorry for the rant, but it pisses me off completely when somebody says that they aren't gonna call a particular rule just because they don't happen to like that one There's a whole buncha rules that I'm not fond of either, but I don't think that it's my God-given right to just call the ones that I like only.

And half the book is filler? Lah me.

[deecee]

team A scores a basket and runs down to defense -- team B inbounding the ball has a slight piece of foot inbound during the inbounds pass -- no back court defense I pass...

player bringing the ball up the court with no pressure takes an extra half step before starting dribbling I pass...

player is in the lane for 4 seconds while ball is being passed on the perimeter then starts heading out I pass...

player dribbling in frontcourt with no pressure goes to put one hand over the head to call a play -- palms the ball I pass...

player goes for a layup -- defense establishes position almost under the ring and gets hit by offensive player going for layup -- in high school thats a charge -- I pass -- you don't play defense under the ring on a layup...

post play -- defense has 2 hands on the offense and then proceeds to armbar -- Illegal -- I pass...unless I think hes pushing or guiding the offensive players...

close game -- ball flying OOB and player goes to dive out to save it -- about half an inch of his shoe touches the line -- I pass...I can always say that i didn't see his foot touch the line

10 minutes before the game visiting team doesn't have roster filled out -- I T the crap out of them -- just kidding -- i ask them where they are with it and if they are in the process of completing it i give them another minute...

kids name is like 30 letters -- it almost circles his number on the back -- I let it go...

Team A is red but one player washed their jersey with the wrong load and now instead of RED its a bit lighter but about 90% red -- I pass.

coach walks all the way to the baseline to talk to me -- I talk I dont enforce the coach's box...

A player has an earring -- I see it half way through the first quarter -- i instruct him it comes out our he wont get back in the game -- I dont want anyone injured...

before the game i realize that the baskets are only 9 feet high -- O well I guess that will be the closest thing to the NBA feeling for those kids that game...

[blindzebra]

I think it's a GOOD thing you want to give up officiating to coach.

Perhaps the reason you have not enjoyed officiating has a lot to do with your philosophy.

[deecee]

the level of play i have seen has been going down so much -- these kids need better coaching not better officiating...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by blindzebra
I think it's a GOOD thing you want to give up officiating to coach.

Amen to that!!!

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by deecee
the level of play i have seen has been going down so much -- these kids need better coaching not better officiating...

Perhaps if you'd call the rules they'd learn.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by deecee

player bringing the ball up the court with no pressure takes an extra half step before starting dribbling I pass...

player dribbling in frontcourt with no pressure goes to put one hand over the head to call a play -- palms the ball I pass...

player goes for a layup -- defense establishes position almost under the ring and gets hit by offensive player going for layup -- in high school thats a charge -- I pass -- you don't play defense under the ring on a layup...

post play -- defense has 2 hands on the offense and then proceeds to armbar -- Illegal -- I pass...unless I think hes pushing or guiding the offensive players...

close game -- ball flying OOB and player goes to dive out to save it -- about half an inch of his shoe touches the line -- I pass...I can always say that i didn't see his foot touch the line

Un-freaking-believable!

Just un-freaking-believable.

[deecee]

that I am the only one who ever passes on anything -- which is why it only took me 3 years to get to a 4 rating as well as almost get my varsity schedule -- btw im 25 -- and also i have been evaluated by 6 guys -- 1 is our associations head of rules and 2 board members and i also ony t'd up 1 coach in 3 years and i have never left a game with that "what the hell just happened feeling" or should we have done something different -- Their 3 biggest knocks on me and I know this -- mechanics, pants couple inches to long, we might disagree on a call or two during the game.

the only discussion i have had with a coach because of my style of officiating is that he would rather I not use advantage/disadvantage --

And one more thing I guarantee you guys would like working with me because I help you out -- most officials dont know a damn thing about walking down a coach after you make a call -- ill get in there and have you switch with me and ill take the heat if i have to -- so no need to be so anal about "you're a bad ref"

I just officiate differently and in the end the only train wrecks that have happend in any of my games have been because they were just horrible teams or my partner and i started calling it to tight -- but the later can be adjusted with a simple meeting during a timeout "hey partner how bout we swallow our whistle for a while and let the game get a flow if it can" if it can't then were in for a long night.

So hey what can I say -- anything that happens on my court i can back it up to a coach or a player -- if a coach is adamant i call something that i am passing on i oblige -- and you know it effects his team as well because if i call something on one side i call it on the other.

You guys are aware people can dribble now to advance the ball up the court???

[mplagrow]

Originally posted by deecee
that I am the only one who ever passes on anything -- which is why it only took me 3 years to get to a 4 rating as well as almost get my varsity schedule -- btw im 25 -- and also i have been evaluated by 6 guys -- 1 is our associations head of rules and 2 board members and i also ony t'd up 1 coach in 3 years and i have never left a game with that "what the hell just happened feeling" or should we have done something different -- Their 3 biggest knocks on me and I know this -- mechanics, pants couple inches to long, we might disagree on a call or two during the game.

the only discussion i have had with a coach because of my style of officiating is that he would rather I not use advantage/disadvantage --

And one more thing I guarantee you guys would like working with me because I help you out -- most officials dont know a damn thing about walking down a coach after you make a call -- ill get in there and have you switch with me and ill take the heat if i have to -- so no need to be so anal about "you're a bad ref"

I just officiate differently and in the end the only train wrecks that have happend in any of my games have been because they were just horrible teams or my partner and i started calling it to tight -- but the later can be adjusted with a simple meeting during a timeout "hey partner how bout we swallow our whistle for a while and let the game get a flow if it can" if it can't then were in for a long night.

So hey what can I say -- anything that happens on my court i can back it up to a coach or a player -- if a coach is adamant i call something that i am passing on i oblige -- and you know it effects his team as well because if i call something on one side i call it on the other.

You guys are aware people can dribble now to advance the ball up the court???

I'm glad you're here to set us straight! I was concerned that we had a shortage of pompous, condescending know-it-all 25 year olds who hold the key to the secrets of good officiating in this forum.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by deecee

A player has an earring -- I see it half way through the first quarter -- i instruct him it comes out our he wont get back in the game -- I dont want anyone injured...

Why is this an unusual call - other than you didn't notice it earlier, like during warmups.

To my somewhat limited knowledge, this is in accordance with NF rules. What are you "passing" on?

[mplagrow]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

Why is this an unusual call - other than you didn't notice it earlier, like during warmups.

To my somewhat limited knowledge, this is in accordance with NF rules. What are you "passing" on?

That's in the half of the rule book that he doesn't need.