Michigan State vs Kentucky- 2 or a 3?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by jbduke
I think it was a foul. That Sparks initiated the contact is inconsequential; the defender (Torbert?) did not have legal guarding position. He was attempting to challenge the shot, and he never established a legal guarding position before bumping Sparks. Beyond that, Sparks did not lunge at him; he leaned forward very, very slightly. In fact, had there been no contact at all, his shooting motion would have been fairly characterized as very nearly normal.

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That fact that the defender didn't have legal guarding position is not only inconsequential, it's not relevant at all. A shooter can't jump into a defender that has assumed a legal position on the floor; it doesn't matter whether that defender's legal position on the court also happens to be a LGP too.

Reggie Miller has made a career out of jumping sideways into defenders and drawing fouls. He'll also kick his leg out into the path of a defender going by him on the side to draw contact. Reggie still gets away with this occasionally.

If there hadda been a foul called on this play, we woulda ended up with the same kind of uproar that happened with the travel in the Villanova/NC game.

[jbduke]

I'm not worried about uproar. I'm worried about getting it right. We can disagree agreeably on what should have been called, but are we really disagreeing on the point that officials shouldn't make decisions based upon potential negative reaction?

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Don't know what game you were looking at Trigger but Burr was the C.

I had this same argument with a buddy of mine.
Since, I have it on tape, I went and double-checked. Jim Burr was DEFINITELY the C opposite the table on the play. He indicated a three with his left hand (toward the endline) when Sparks went up. The funny thing is that he tripped and stumbled after the ball went in as he moved toward the table, so he never did give the touchdown signal.
Neither did the T because he didn't have last shot responsibility even though it was in his primary.


I too cannot tell Whitehead and John Higgins apart. They were L and T tableside for the play. Whoever called the foul that send Mich St to the line on the previous trip was the L.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Now, don't go all intellectual on us. Chuck is the only one here who knows what that means, and he's not around today. Okay, MAYBE Dan will give a shot at pretending. The rest of us are clueless. Can you translate for us lowly peons?

I'm pretty sure it's quod, but could be mistaken.

Q.E.D. means "that which was to be proven" - putting it at the end of a proof or similar statement means that you've proven your point.