Got in, but Didn't Get Done

[TimTaylor]

Just for future reference, what I think Junker was referring to is that the ejection/disqualification/forfeit doesn't occur until the fouls are officially reported, so you need to do that first, then deal with the consequences.

20/20 hindsight is wonderful, but this is probably how I would have handled it - others may disagree:
1. Don't go immediately to the table - it's too close to the benches & invited further discourse. I'd have told the coaches to go back to their bench, then while the smoke was clearing, waved my partner over to the jump circle area & briefly explained to him what you have.

2. Take a step or two towards the table, and from that position on the court report fouls in the order they occurred as follows:
Intentional foul on A31
Technical foul on A's HC
Technical foul on A's AC
2nd technical foul on A's AC

3. Now you go to the division line opposite the table and let your partner administer the penalties. You know they're pi$$ed at you, but if they're stupid enough to "shoot the messenger", it just makes them look worse.

4.Partner first informs A's HC that his AC is ejected for the 2 direct T's, then informs HC he is also ejected because of his one direct T plus the two indirects as result of AC's actions. Partner then asks A's HC if he has another qualified assistant on the bench. If not, he's told the game is forfeit. Then B's HC is informed of the forfeit.

5. The official book is then informed of the forfeit. Since B was ahead, the score remains as is - if A had been ahead, the final score would be recorded as 2-0 in favor of B. Because of the forfeit, no free throws are administered. Partner needs to make sure that everything is recorded in the book.

Forfeit or not, their disqualification requires that both coaches immediately leave the venue of the competition - if they don't, immediately notify game management and ask that security escort them from the building.

[JosephG678]

When I do AAU, PAL, CYO etc...(non-school games), I try to avoid ejecting all the coaches so there is someone left and the team does not have to forfeit. If everyone has to be ejected, then do so, but I find it helpful to tell the coach that if everyone is ejected this game is forfeited. 99% of the time the coach will bite his lip. Saying something like "Coach, try to control yourself because if you are ejected and no one is left to coach, this game will be forfeited." If it is close, it usually always works...

Now, if it is a blowout -- ejecting him may be your best option

Joe

[Mark Padgett]

The only things you forgot to do were stare at their pants and puke on their shoes.

Works every time.

[just another ref]

Originally posted by monfanz

..... the asst. continues to berate me. Calling me a punk a$$ kid who doesn't know the rules because an intentional foul is only when there is intent to hurt and that the penalty for an intentional foul is not 2 shots and the ball, but should have been a 1-on-1 instead,

You can take a small amount of comfort here. When the game gets ugly, no matter what happened, most officials are sorry to see it end this way. We have, I think, a tendency in this situation to second guess ourselves about some part of the game, was this a bad call, was this call necessary, etc. When this coach continues the tirade you describe above, you are totally vindicated. This is no longer a gray area, since he is spouting his ignorance of the rules for everyone to hear. You did what you had to do, congratulations. The challenge now is if you have this team again, to start fresh and put the past behind you, and hopefully the coaches will do the same. (many don't) Good job and good luck.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by monfanz

Thanks for the reinforcement...I went home last night feeling like crap because I didn't let the kids decide the game.

Wrong. The coaches didn't let the kids decide the game. You just announced their decision to all involved.

[mick]

Originally posted by monfanz
Hey all...first time I've ever posted on here so go easy.

monfanz,
Attaboy!
Good post.
Good job.
mick

[Boiler14]

I just saw Ed Hightower call an intentional foul in the Northwestern-Michigan game. NW was up one point at the time with 7 seconds left. Did it decide the game...probably, but it was the RIGHT call. That is all you can do. Good job.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by tjones1
Nice job, you did very well. When I first read the title of this thread, I thought someone else got cake after their game. I was getting a little jealous before I read the thread!

(It was chocolate cake with Neopolitan ice cream!!!)

monfanz - I know the last thing you want to do is end a game on bad note. But with experience you'll find there are things that are under your control, and things that aren't. There are also the situations that you handled correctly, and the things you didn't but wished you could've done differently. In this case, it sounds like you handled it professionally, which is a big, correct first step. I have to agree with TimTaylor that the administration could've been handled better; there's a chance that a couple of things might have been avoided. That's something you will learn over time. Usually I've seen things happen the other way - a newer official will get the admin. stuff right, but also go toe-to-toe with coaches, yell back, tell them to shut up, etc., and those officials tend to end up with more problems in the end. So even though the game wasn't one of those "smooth, both teams played hard, you nailed every call, both teams give you high-fives at the end" type games that make you feel good, you will eventually learn to almost feel as good about the ones like this where you kept your cool and handled things correctly.

[tomegun]

Monfanz, I would like to play devil's advocate here. Since it has been assumed that you are a younger official (maybe because you have a low post count) I would like to know how long you've been officiating.

[ChuckElias]

I'm not exactly the guy to talk to about end-of-game situations lately but it sounds to me like you did pretty much what you had to do. If the adults don't want to be adults, you can't make them.

Tough night. Sounds like you handled it well.

[monfanz]

Originally posted by tomegun
Monfanz, I would like to play devil's advocate here. Since it has been assumed that you are a younger official (maybe because you have a low post count) I would like to know how long you've been officiating.

Tomegun,

I just turned 22 and just completed my 4th year of being patched. This is the first time I have even come close to dealing with something of this magnitude, despite the fact that I had a full varsity schedule plus 2 district playoff games this year (1st ejection of a coach ever...only other ejection I have had was for a fight).

TimTaylor,

To respond to your post about the procedure, I agree that that part could have been handled a little bit smoother. However, in the situation I was in, things got hostile very very quickly and once I issued the 3rd technical, my only concern was getting off of the court. Further, my partner was 18, 1st year patched, and I definitely was not about to throw him to the wolves so to speak. This was actually the reason why after the 1st intentional foul, since the ball was being inbounded table-side, I administered the throw-in rather than being opposite the table (2-man game) just to keep him away from the irate coaches. I guess that's what I get for trying to protect my partner

[Edited by monfanz on Mar 11th, 2005 at 03:02 PM]

[mick]

Originally posted by monfanz
Further, my partner was 18, 1st year patched, and I definitely was not about to throw him to the wolves so to speak. This was actually the reason why after the 1st intentional foul, since the ball was being inbounded table-side, I administered the throw-in rather than being opposite the table (2-man game) just to keep him away from the irate coaches. I guess that's what I get for trying to protect my partner

monfanz,
I am impressed with your savoire faire.
Need a partner?
mick

[tomegun]

Monfanz, it sounds to me like you did a good job. There was something about your original post that made me think you were new to this board and not really new as an official. Good job.

[CaptStevenM]

Originally posted by monfanz

I walk up to him, tell him to let go of the jersey, and then administer the throw in. As soon as I hand the ball to the inbounder, B2 breaks for the ball and A31, again fully extended, grabs B2 by the back numbers and pulls him backwards. I immediately come up with another intentional.

Good preventative officating here. You told B to let go of A's jersey, unfortunately he didn't listen apparently.

[stmaryrams]

Originally posted by monfanz
I went home last night feeling like crap because I didn't let the kids decide the game. [/B]

Knucklehead coaches did that for you.

You just did your job.

Bad sitch handled as well as possible.

I seem to call my share of intentional fouls in these game ending moments when there is no play on the ball.

I had a 6th grader shoulder block a kid to the ground and the coach went nuts when I called intentional. I told him to tell his player to save it for football or professional wrestling.