Simple call, what's your's?

[WinterWillie]

NFHS rules only.

A1 brings down a rebound and is surrounded by B1, B2 & B3.
A1 swings his elbow excessively and strikes B1 knocking him to the ground. Your call?

[brandan89]

Originally posted by WinterWillie
NFHS rules only.

A1 brings down a rebound and is surrounded by B1, B2 & B3.
A1 swings his elbow excessively and strikes B1 knocking him to the ground. Your call?

Depends...

Could be a "T" or a Player Control

[Redhouse]

It depends, Was it an intentional act or was he just trying to not get tied up.

It could be a PC foul
A flagarant foul
A no call

I would have to see the play to say for certain. Just my opinion

[tjones1]

Originally posted by Redhouse
It depends, Was it an intentional act or was he just trying to not get tied up.

It could be a PC foul
A flagarant foul
A no call

How do you justify a no call in this situation? Sounds to me it's just a PC. However, it could be intentional or flagarant but like anyone else I'd have to see it.

[tjones1]

Originally posted by brandan89

Depends...

Could be a "T" or a Player Control

The ball is live, so can't call a T.

[brandan89]

Originally posted by tjones1

The ball is live, so can't call a T.

Flagrant

[tjones1]

Originally posted by brandan89

Flagrant

It would still not be a T, just a personal since the ball was live. Take a peak at 4-19-4

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by tjones1

It would still not be a T, just a personal since the ball was live. Take a peak at 4-19-4

Jones it right, it is not a T. It sounds like a PC, could beintentional or flagarant.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by WinterWillie
NFHS rules only.

A1 brings down a rebound and is surrounded by B1, B2 & B3.
A1 swings his elbow excessively and strikes B1 knocking him to the ground. Your call?

The contact is a live ball foul, therefore it is a personal foul. The personal foul is either a common foul (player control), intentional, or flagrant.

MTD, Sr.

[ref18]

I've got intentional. He was swinging his elbows excessively, therefore to me that means that any contact will result in an intentional, because there is no reason for him to be swinging his arms like that.

[imaref]

Originally posted by WinterWillie
NFHS rules only.

A1 brings down a rebound and is surrounded by B1, B2 & B3.
A1 swings his elbow excessively and strikes B1 knocking him to the ground. Your call?

B1 should have ducked!

wl

[bradfordwilkins]

Once a player starts swinging, I'm pretty quick on the whistle on the violation so we can avoid contact.

[SMEngmann]

Sounds like PC to me, maybe intentional or flagrant. Since there was contact, there can be no T, but in the absence of contact you could have a violation, a T or a no call (although you said excessively swinging, so something most likely has to be called).

[tjones1]

Originally posted by SMEngmann
Sounds like PC to me, maybe intentional or flagrant. Since there was contact, there can be no T, but in the absence of contact you could have a violation, a T or a no call (although you said excessively swinging, so something most likely has to be called).

I still don't see where you can get a T during a live ball.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by tjones1

I still don't see where you can get a T during a live ball.

Rule 4, section 19
ART. 13 . . . An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical or dishonorable conduct.

This is the only call that can be made for swinging and missing with a punch or an elbow that was meant to strike in the same manner.

The key is that there was no contact on the play, so a personal foul cannot be called.

Seems odd that the penalty is more severe for swinging and missing than for actually hitting the opponent during a live ball.