Wake-NC State

[TriggerMN]

Holy cow.

Chris Paul of Wake punches Julius Hodge right in the coin purse in the 1st half and gets away with it. He would have been ejected on the spot, but the officials didn't see it. Then Paul hits the game winning shot at the buzzer and possibly knocks NC State out of the NCAA tournament.

NCAA replay rules allow the officials to review video to see if punches have been thrown. In fact, I remember John Higgins stopping a live ball during a Kansas game this year to review for such an offense.

Obviously, if the officials have no idea that it happened at all, they won't look at the tape. I'm really surprised that somebody on the NC State bench didn't ask the officials to review the video.

I can't imagine a crew not checking for that if requested...

[BktBallRef]

Don't be surprised if the ACC takes a look at it.

[TriggerMN]

Yes, I'm almost positive that Paul will be suspended for Wake's 1st game in the ACC tournament.

[Peach State Ref]

The crew really "screwed" that play up. They should have gone to the monitor while Hodges was on the floor for 5 minutes.We will never know how it might have effected the outcome of the game.

[TriggerMN]

Originally posted by Peach State Ref
The crew really "screwed" that play up. They should have gone to the monitor while Hodges was on the floor for 5 minutes.We will never know how it might have effected the outcome of the game.

How exactly did they "screw" it up? If they didn't see the punch, and nobody told them that was what happened, what course of action would you have them take?

Anytime there's a stoppage for injury, should they just go look at the replay of the game for fun? Heck, maybe they'll have time to slip in a couple of phone calls, too. Sheesh.

[Peach State Ref]

What is not pretty apparent when Hodges left the floor that he was p*&#$@ off & was threating to seek revenge. Look like a "clue" to me to go the monitor.

[TriggerMN]

Originally posted by Peach State Ref
What is not pretty apparent when Hodges left the floor that he was p*&#$@ off & was threating to seek revenge. Look like a "clue" to me to go the monitor.

So if you're officiating the game then, you're giving Hodges a technical, possibly flagrant, because of the threat you mentioned. Why didn't you say that before?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by Peach State Ref
The crew really "screwed" that play up. They should have gone to the monitor while Hodges was on the floor for 5 minutes.We will never know how it might have effected the outcome of the game.

I would like to also know how it would have affected the game.

[ShadowStripes]

By rule, I do not believe the "knock to the jewels" to be a reviewable offense. The only time a replay monitor may be used in this instance is to "determine if a fight occurred, the individuals who participated and bench personnel who left the bench area." (Appendix III, 6-4)

One of the most recent NCAA bulletins on Feb. 14 states that "When using the monitor for a purpose permitted by the rules, the official can only verify that which was directly related to the purpose. Anyhting else that is discovered while using a monitor shall not penalized."

This clarification was issued as there were instances where officials were reviewing replays to determine if fights had occurred, discovering intentional or flagrant fouls that led to the fight and penalizing those fouls as well. The NCAA stated that those fouls cannot be penalized if discovered on replay. I think it would be a stretch to suggest that Paul's actions, while clearly in retrospect could have been called a flagrant foul, were subject to review. I don't see how the officials could make the case they were reviewing a fight. It would have to be penalized by an official witnessing it during live action.

[Edited by ShadowStripes on Mar 7th, 2005 at 12:51 PM]

[Nevadaref]

You are correct that the officials cannot use the monitor for seeing what happened. They have to make the determination during live action and then could go take a look to see who if anyone else threw punches.

If you think you are disappointed that the officials missed this, think how I feel. I had $ on NC St. Paul should have been tossed, but instead he makes the game winning shot.
That's casino life.

[BktBallRef]

Skip Prosser has suspended Paul for the first game of the ACC Tournament.