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I wish to enter a general request for all coaches to actually read the rule book before challenging refs on the rules. Two coaches tried this on me today.
1st coach calls for traveling on a throwin near the table. "He's moving his feet, he can't do that." "Yes, he can." "No, he can't." Throw in gets stolen by his team, and I blow the ball dead (stopped a would-be layup for his team, mind you) and inform the coach that the rule gives only the three foot parameter. "You mean he can do this?" He marches in place. "Yes." "He didn't think that was the rule." Points to the other coach. Me, walking away. #2. Start of 3rd quarter. Red ball. I hand the ball to the A1, and A2 insists to A1 that he should throw it in. A1 tosses the ball to A2 who promptly steps out of bounds to throw it in. Tweet. Violation. A's AC tries telling me the thrower can pass to a teammate out of bounds. This is just too good. I was laughing so hard during this game, though, that I didn't have the presence of mind to ask the HC to control his AC. Ended up ringing the HC up in the 4th quarter.
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 01:41am
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I didn't find out until the next to last game of the season that it is illegal for a defender to poke the ball out from behind. If it wasn't for that coach, I would have gone my whole career without this gem of knowledge.
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 02:09am
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I wasn't aware that pushing off your opponents back, on a rebound, was a cheap foul until my last game of the season (Friday). Also, this is a real common one, it's a violation to be in the lane three seconds before the play is inbounded.
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 03:31am
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I had one at a game three weeks ago where the player took steps on a spot throw-in and someone yelled "Travelling".
Only it was the ref. Said afterwards, "He's not allowed to move three feet, that was the old rule." His partner just shrugged. 
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 11:41am
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Maybe, in addition to the "are your players properly equipped" question, we can add in another question:
"Coach, have you read this year's rulebook and casebook, and agree that any complaint you have will be based on the correct rule and/or interpretation?" With the "his feet were moving," I usually get that when I call a PC foul and the defender was set, but then moved legally. My usual response - "So?"
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 12:28pm
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Gee, I guess I still have a lot to learn after all these years.
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 01:13pm
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I get at least a few off-ball calls like this every game and I certainly can't be alone there. I enjoy off-ball officiating so much that sometimes (especially after working a lot of 3-whistle and moving back to 2) I forget I have on-ball coverage. Whoops.
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 04:20pm
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 08:36pm
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Had a game today where A1 boxes out B2 and moves him back about three feet. TWEET. Push. All 5 of Team A come around me to let me know that what he did was boxing out and it was perfectly legal. They told me that what A1 did was the definition of boxing out in the rulebook. I almost laughed right in their face but rather asked them to bring me the definition in the rulebook next week. Or at least where it says they can move another player 3 feet legal.
They were all dumbfounded.
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 08:41pm
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Today, I had a coach who's also in his rookie year as an official.
He was chirping about every single call. But the one that really made me laugh. His shorter player was trying to rebound the ball, a taller player for the other team reached over her back without contact and grabbed the ball. He went nuts saying we should call "over the back" It earned him a warning. The T came from me after I made a player control call. The defender had established LGP and ducked to brace herself for the contact. Easy call, as I go to report it he's yelling about it, very loudly, I was in the reporting box and I'm sure the fans could hear, "you can't call a charge, she's moving etc..." so I whacked him, didn't say a word for the rest of the game
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 09:40pm
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I've said this before, but maybe the coaches should have to take the same closed book rules test (PT II) we do every year - score a minimum 75% or you can't coach........nah, it'll never fly......
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Sun Feb 20, 2005, 11:46pm
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Mon Feb 21, 2005, 01:08am
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SW- you made my night. I had a Y league game tonite (that I played in) and the other team started complaining about me "moving my pivot foot". I am 3 yrs. new at reffing but, was confident that I knew this rule. Unfortunately, I had to defend myself to 2 officials that understood it differently.
Help me understand...did you do this b/c the coach was complaining about the no call? Why wouldn't you wait for a dead ball?? "I blow the ball dead (stopped a would-be layup for his team, mind you) and inform the coach that the rule gives only the three foot parameter." Thanks John
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