Playoff CRAZINESS

[tmp44]

And I thought my Double OT game last week was nuts....

Class A girls varsity playoffs, district quarterfinals. Team A I have had 3 or 4 times over the course of the season. This school has the reputation of having some of the most brutal fans in my district. As the first quarter progresses, some of the fans, sitting in the first row of bleachers no more than 2 feet from the far side sideline, begin saying very derogatory remarks towards our R, who was a female. Before I really had a chance to do anything about it, we had a rotation and got away from that sideline. Fast forward to second quarter, as we are shooting a foul shot (I am C, far side), same fan now begins beating my ear about the other male official I am with. However, he went way to far, proceeding to call him several homosexual names. I immediately stopped play and had game management remove him from the game. Needless to say, we got booed of the court on the way to the locker room at the half.

After the removal of the fan, game progressed fairly smoothly. A lot of fouls, but really no complaints; at the same time we could feel the game starting to slip and get ugly, so we really started to crack down on the fouls. Then, with 6:06 remaining in the game (37-35 Team B), all hell breaks loose. I am L when a scrum for a loose ball between two players from Team A and one player from Team B occurs. I have a foul on A#20 for holding B#24 on the loose ball. As the C and I move into the pile, B#24 swings at a member of Team A. WHACK--flagrant technical on B#24. After we get the situation sorted out, Team A coach wants an explanation. I go over to explain, and he immediately starts on me about the common foul on his player #20. I stopped signed him after he wouldn't listen to my explanation, he continued to argue, and finally does a spin move on the floor while flipping his hands in the air...WHACK! We shoot the 1-and-1 for the common foul, then the 2 for the flagrant T, then back down the other end for the other T on the coach. Went to the arrow and cracked down even harder than we already had been the rest of the game---total of 57 fouls when it was all said and done.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by tmp44
Went to the arrow

Why?

It should have been B's ball after the throws for the T on the A coach.

[tmp44]

Bob...we had a dead ball technical (B's punch), followed during the same dead ball period, but real time about 3 or 4 minutes later, with another technical (A's coach). Supervisor on the game agreed with our ruling that we went with the arrow. If you can help me if I'm wrong, please tell me the rule so I know for next time. Thanks!

[Adam]

If you went with the arrow, you shouldn't have shot the free throws.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by tmp44
Bob...we had a dead ball technical (B's punch), followed during the same dead ball period, but real time about 3 or 4 minutes later, with another technical (A's coach). Supervisor on the game agreed with our ruling that we went with the arrow. If you can help me if I'm wrong, please tell me the rule so I know for next time. Thanks!

You administer in the order they occurred. You did not have simultaneous technicals 4-19-9, you had a false double 4-19-8.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by blindzebra

You administer in the order they occurred. You did not have simultaneous technicals 4-19-9, you had a false double 4-19-8.

On top of the obvious time lag, a prerequisite to having a double foul(either double personal or double technical),under R4-19-7(which is the rule you used), is that the two opponents must commit the fouls against each other at approximately the same time. You didn't have any of that in your situation. You need to straighten your supervisor out on this one, too. False double foul, as BZ said.

Btw, good job of keeping the game under control.

[tmp44]

Originally posted by jr
have you wondered why this keeps happening to you?????

Excuse me JR? Wondered why what keeps happening to me? This was only my 3rd and 4th varsity technicals of the year...far less than what I've seen by some other people on this forum. Are you telling me that I can help it when in a smooth game someone suddenly throws a punch after a loose ball? And when you want to throw criticism around, why don't you explain yourself instead of being an enigma?

As far as the arrow, we had made the decision as a crew that this was a false double foul, and went with the arrow as such, but we should have administered as a T throw-in instead. Looking back on it now, I realize that we probably should have given the ball to Team B on the tecnical. Arrow was Team B's at the time anyways, not saying that that makes up for the mistake, but rather just saved my a$$ that B got the ball. I realize that I kicked it.

[Edited by tmp44 on Feb 20th, 2005 at 12:39 PM]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by tmp44

Excuse me JR? .

Just wanted to make sure that you weren't confusing "jr" with "JR"(Jurassic Referee).

[Rich]

Originally posted by jr
have you wondered why this keeps happening to you?????

Keeps happening? First of all I don't remember any problems by the OP this season and secondly, your response was less than helpful or useful.

[tmp44]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Just wanted to make sure that you weren't confusing "jr" with "JR"(Jurassic Referee).

Jurassic,

I was referring to the "other" jr...sorry

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by tmp44
Jurassic,

I was referring to the "other" jr...sorry

It wasn't me.