Maybe im missing something here, but are officials and coaches supposed to be enemies? (though it may seem like it at times) I dont see a big deal chatting with the coaches before a game, or after for that matter. Now on the same point I dont expect you to be talking strategy with the coach, but we are just people doing our jobs and in this case it happens to be in the same workplace, im not sure that communication is a bad thing. Now also to be said, im not going to leave my partner out of the conversation either. just a thought. . . .

I just wanted to make a point to add to the discussion. We are pretty much on the same page. :D

Peace

No, there isn't anything wrong about chatting with a coach. However, it isn't right to be talking to a coach about an opponent they might not ever see if they don't win the game you are officiating and it isn't right to do this instead of having a pregame with your partner.

I'm in a situation right now where I don't know most guys. I don't have confrontations because they aren't a good thing. I feel awkward when I'm the R on the game and someone who has been here for years is with me. It is especially bad when it is one of those games that some guys would cut their arms off for (I've been really blessed since I got here). I just try to make it a cooperative thing. I try to do that no matter what because a comfortable crew will be a better crew. BUT, the bad side in me wouldn't mind putting someone like this on blast so he couldn't lie later. I'm sure there would be a way to add some sort of witnesses. :D

I agree, the topics discussed were probably inappropriate, and of course I would not want to take away from any pregame from my partner, but at the same time we dont have to be a-holes and not ever talk to people either. Your point is well taken though

Totally understood and I agree with that completely. It would be very uncomfortable to experience that sort of thing. Speaking of...I get to work with JA Jr. again this weekend at an 8th grade girl's tourney. How much you wanna bet he talks to everyone in the stands before the games?

Sheez, what did you do to make Howard mad!?! :D It's still not as bad as.. well, I won't mention any names, but I can think of worse partners...

Welcome to the BIG TIME rainmaker...oh wait...you probably haven't done a playoff game yet.
Hmmmmmmm, think about it rainmaker...you're not ready (mentally)
Sorry for coming off "Big Time"...but sheesh, relax.
You wouldn't really storm out of the locker room and go get some official would you?
That has got to be the funniest thing I have read all night.
Maybe go so far has to try to "Big Time" the big-timer in front of coaches...but I gotta tell ya...that's not a move that people I know made, working their way up.
This guy has 20+ years...state championship games...are you kidding me? Give it some time before you take on the world.
Be firm...but wait your turn.
Hey...I just made that up...give me another beer. ;)

RookieDude -- I'm saying that if I discover that a game I'm assigned to is going to be called on the basis of agreements between one coach and a ref, I'm not doing it period. I wouldn't have anything to do with it. If that means I never get higher than 6th grade girls again, well, fine. If that's how this state wants to run their tournament, I'm outta there. It is unprofessional and unethical to sit down and agree how a game is going to be called with coaches from only one of the teams. I could not allow my integrity to be compromised in this way. If you don't have a problem with working that way, that's your business, but I have lost a lot of respect for you.

Now you're saying "if that's how this state wants to run their tournament, I'm outta there."
You just jumped from an isolated incident...to the whole damn "state".
Again, take a deep breath...relax.
It's no great news that there are big A$$ holes out there in referee land. Remember the sysem we work in. One man's *** is another man's friend. Argggggggg...
...Bartender...tab please!!! ;)

I'm a little baffled by your hostility. What in the world has you so upset?

I should make it clear that he wasn't fixing the game. Basically, it was a ref who was there to call the game between A and B, and was discussing how A's coaches how they would match up with C, who they only played if they beat B. The coaches, to me, were basically buttering him up with comments about how great he had been in their game the night before. To me, that looks bad.

As to why I didn't just have it out with him at first, the pregame came to an abrupt and unusual end, which is sort of described in my second post on page 1 of this thread, and which certain viewers had an appreciation for no more details than given! Rest assured that it was more bizarre than described in that post, and one of my partners often requests that I describe it in detail to other parnters, just to hear the howls.

Hostility?
Just giving my opinion with a little "conviction". :)
Again, Relax...
you're not the only one I'm picking on tonight. ;)

So, why pick on anyone? I don't get your point...

So Rookie, you seriously don't have a problem with a ref and one coach from the next game having a private conference about what's going to happen next?

So a private conversation all of the sudden becomes a plot to fix the game? Whered that assumption come from? How many here have fixed a game after talking to a coach before a game, raise your hands. . . . I didnt think so. . .


Plus most officials should be aware, a coach who compliments you before the game might be sincere, but alot of compliments means hes probably fishing for a call later that night. I would hope most would realize that and not let it affect how things are called.

[Edited by paxsonref on Feb 3rd, 2005 at 09:45 AM]