JRUT
 

okay. Your thread makes sense and I can live with that. On a personal level The glad-handing aspect is just something I don't like and even more so because i will end up being the bad cop for the night. It just seems unprofessional.

You seemed to be running with this example and adding stuff to it. ChessRef just stated that the coaches got on him. What can a partner do when the complaints are not out of hand or beyond what are normally acceptable? I know if a coach is on my partner I can say something, but I cannot stop him from having complaints about calls. Nor is it my job to hold my partner's hand the entire game.

Peace

Re: JRUT
 

I do not know what you mean by glad-handing, I was not there. I am just stating that officials and coaches are not supposed to be enemies. Over the years I have seen coaches grow up in the game just like I have. Coaches tend to greet officials they know and say hi and many times talk to them about things they might have some knowledge about. I have a friend that is working a playoff game later this season and both coaches actually coached his daughter at the same program. It just happens to be that both coaches have moved to different programs and by happenstance he will see both coaches in one of his games. It is not going to surprise me if the coaches acknowledge this official and how they know him. If you do this long enough you will find some coaches that will grow to the higher levels at the same rate that you will. So if this is your first year, it might be in 5 to 6 years you run into some coaches that will be working varsity when you are. Not all of them are going to be at the same schools. Some will get a shot at another school and you will work their games. You will have some relationship with them on some level. It is not totally unavoidable to find coaches that will get to know you. It is just how you conduct those relationships.

Peace

Where in the rule book does it say the coach can complain about calls?

It is the more experienced officials job to help their partner through it. You give them some advice, you give them a chance to handle the situation, and if that fails you lead by EXAMPLE and handle it yourself.

It's called mentoring.

Do you really want to go there? The rulebook says a lot of things and as officials we do not penalize every situation because it says so in the rulebook. I hope there is more to this discussion than whether the rulebook states something about complaining or not.


It is the experienced official’s job to help, not do it for them. If I had officials always getting coaches off my back, I would never have learned to do it myself. We also do not know about what was said and what was not said. I agree that an experienced official can protect a younger official to some extent, but they cannot stop all comments or even know when that situation is taking place. Coaches can make comments without yelling all over the court.

Peace

Re: Translation
 

Welcome to the world of officiating!! I've had similar experiences that you had. Like I stated in an earlier post I learned to stand up for myself to coaches but in a respectful way. If you work hard, hustle and exercise proper mechanics they can only argue with you so much. Most coaches that give refs heat are just frustrated for one reason or another--usually because their team is losing or he's just trying to get favorable calls for later. If he's a good coach it's usually not personal but if refs take it personal they shouldn't be officiating. JMHO

The thrust of my post was about my partner. I am learning to deal with the coaches. Alot of the techniques I am using I got from threads on this board. i don't think it is unreasonable for my partner to be aware of whats going on with the game, instead of selling insurance or whatever he was up to talking to the Varsity Refs down at the endline. i still am thinking by being a gladhander (one who spends too much time talking to coaches, fans etc.), the bad newby then receives a disproportinate amount of vrying about the calls. My example from last night -the train wreck happened in partners area-i am watching a press sitch then administering a TO but the coach lays into me . Now why would that have happened ? I feel pretty sure it had NOTHING to do with my partners pregame Oprah like therapy session with the coaches and everything to do with my being on the other side of the court watching what I was suppose to watch and call. Note Sarcasm. The capper was it happened in front of the H teams bench.. He had to wait for me to get to reporting area (the TO) to start yelling at me. But I am reassurred that my partners history with the two coaches had nothing to with it. ( Note Sarcasm)
i can accept what Jrut said about bad ref/good ref but that doesn't mean I like it or agree with it.

Chess ref,

You said this is your first year. If you don't learn to get past these game situations in a way you're comfortable with then you won't have many years ahead of you. It's not your partner's fault the coaches were gunning for you. It's the way the world works. If they were on you the whole game then *you* let it happen. Stick 'em early & often, no warning. If you stick around you'll get a reputation for taking care of business and they'll leave you alone. If they don't just keep stickin' 'em.

As for pregame BS'ing with coaches, I don't do it except quick pleasantries. Once in a while I'll have a partner who does it to excess, I just go to the other side of the floor. If they're doing it in the locker room before the game I give them a few minutes then politely tell the coach to beat it, we need to prepare. No big deal.

Hey Chess,

It was wrong for your partner to allow you to be abused like that. Being new you have to learn how to handle this. Here's an example from baseball how I helped my partner. His first varsity game he's got the dish. One of the Coache's is on how for much of the game. Everytime this happened I was hoping he would dump him. He never did and I can understand why. First time the Coach said anything to me I restricted him to the dugout. When he asked why I simply said I'm tired of listening to you. No problems from than after. Your partner could have found a way to help you out.

When your're working with a new guy don't let this happen to him/her.

Sounds real nice of your partner for hanging you out to dry eh? Unfortunately sh!t happens and at the time there wasn't much you could do about it. You called the game the way you saw it and he sh!t the bed--and one day he'll lay in it. I had something similar a few years ago. BV game for first place. I'm working with a guy so fat (25+ year official) that the gym shakes when he tries to run. He's blowing his whistle on every play--even in my area. He even blew his whistle on the jump ball--and he tossed!! Both coaches are wondering whats going on--both to me and him--they just want to play ball. After each team being in double bonus early in the 2nd quarter, I casually mentioned something to him and he agreed. Didn't change much. At halftime, after 1 1/2 hour first half, I let loose at him. I said in these words very loudly, "don't make any m***** f*(**** calls unless it\'s an obvious one. He was so shook up he swallowed his whistle. The second half went smooth--lot of the typical riff-raff but nothing out of the ordinary. Haven\'t seen the guy since.