Time out or no?

[OverAndBack]

I worked five games today, so my brain was a little frazzled by the end, so bear with me. In the last game, A1 threw a pass toward the sideline and while it was heading out of bounds, A's coach calls time out. I said you can't have time out, the ball's not in your team's possession while it's in the air. But once it went out, it was B's ball and now you can have time out.

Did I get that right? I thought a loose ball wasn't in anyone's possession, or is it still in possession of the last team to possess it?

[bellyache]

u are correct. nice job

[tjones1]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
I worked five games today, so my brain was a little frazzled by the end, so bear with me. In the last game, A1 threw a pass toward the sideline and while it was heading out of bounds, A's coach calls time out. I said you can't have time out, the ball's not in your team's possession while it's in the air. But once it went out, it was B's ball and now you can have time out.

Did I get that right? I thought a loose ball wasn't in anyone's possession, or is it still in possession of the last team to possess it?

Sounds right to me. Five games, huh? Most I've worked in a day is 4 and that's all I want!

[zebraman]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
I worked five games today, so my brain was a little frazzled by the end, so bear with me. In the last game, A1 threw a pass toward the sideline and while it was heading out of bounds, A's coach calls time out. I said you can't have time out, the ball's not in your team's possession while it's in the air. But once it went out, it was B's ball and now you can have time out.

Did I get that right? I thought a loose ball wasn't in anyone's possession, or is it still in possession of the last team to possess it?

You got the call right, but not the terminology. Team A still had team control in your case (while the ball was in the air during the pass), but they did not have PLAYER control. An official should not grant a time-out unless there is player control or the ball is dead.

Z

[eventnyc]

Originally posted by OverAndBack
I worked five games today, so my brain was a little frazzled by the end, so bear with me. In the last game, A1 threw a pass toward the sideline and while it was heading out of bounds, A's coach calls time out. I said you can't have time out, the ball's not in your team's possession while it's in the air. But once it went out, it was B's ball and now you can have time out.

Did I get that right? I thought a loose ball wasn't in anyone's possession, or is it still in possession of the last team to possess it?

You are correct. To answer your question:

A team is in control of the ball when a player of the team is in control, while a live ball is being passed among teammates, and during an interrupted dribble. Team control ends when the ball is in flight on a try for goal, an opponent secures control or the ball becomes dead. Did the coach want the time out when it went out of bounds?

A player is in control of the ball when they are holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. Grant the TO in this situation.

[OverAndBack]

Originally posted by eventnyc
Did the coach want the time out when it went out of bounds?

Yes, and he acted like it was funny that I granted him the timeout afterwards, but not during, and that his team lost the ball. But his team won, so it wasn't a huge deal.

You're right, I remember now the difference between player control and team control.

[johnnyrao]

Originally posted by zebraman

You got the call right, but not the terminology. Team A still had team control in your case (while the ball was in the air during the pass), but they did not have PLAYER control. An official should not grant a time-out unless there is player control or the ball is dead.

Z

TOs can be a pain sometimes. Boys JV game on Friday night. Coach A called a TO and I did a quick check to make sure he still had team and player control since the ball was out of my primary. He yelled it again and got slightly annoyed when i delayed about 3 seconds. He was okay after I explained that he can only have the TO if he has team and player control (I try and make sure because I missed this earlier in the year). Same game, same coach. Ball goes OOB with under 10 secs and his team down by two. Defender raises the TO sign and I do a quick check to see if my partner still has the ball. He does but when the whistle blows he has just handed the ball to the thrower. I am positive that my partner still had the ball when the TO was signaled but the coach was upset about it. I thought later that maybe I should have passed on the TO. Two close TOs in the game. Sometimes they are hard to call.

[Just Curious]

I'm going to use this thread to take a spin on the TO issue.
After a made basket by team A, team B secures the ball and steps OOB for the throw-in. At what point do most of you consider as the time that team A can no longer call a TO.
A. Immediately after team B secures the ball?
B. After the throw-in person has turned to face the floor to actually throw the ball in? Or
C. After the throw-in is completed and a team B player has secured the ball?
I recognize the issue with team control vs. player control and agree with the other answers. But on a throw-in, there is neither team or player control, so it seems to me that either team can call a TO up until a player IB secures the ball. Feedback?

[SamIAm]

Originally posted by johnnyrao

TOs can be a pain sometimes. Boys JV game on Friday night. Coach A called a TO and I did a quick check to make sure he still had team and player control since the ball was out of my primary. He yelled it again and got slightly annoyed when i delayed about 3 seconds. He was okay after I explained that he can only have the TO if he has team and player control (I try and make sure because I missed this earlier in the year). Same game, same coach. Ball goes OOB with under 10 secs and his team down by two. Defender raises the TO sign and I do a quick check to see if my partner still has the ball. He does but when the whistle blows he has just handed the ball to the thrower. I am positive that my partner still had the ball when the TO was signaled but the coach was upset about it. I thought later that maybe I should have passed on the TO. Two close TOs in the game. Sometimes they are hard to call.

Don't pass on that TO. The timeout was requested, the official still had the ball, TO. Reverse the scenario. You hear TO request from the benchs behind you. White has the ball, you look to see who requested the TO, and it was white. TO. You know a legitimate, legal timeout request was made. The fact that an official takes enough time to allow the ball to become loose (not a criticism, it just happens) does not change the legitimate legal timeout request.

[eventnyc]

Originally posted by Just Curious
I'm going to use this thread to take a spin on the TO issue.
After a made basket by team A, team B secures the ball and steps OOB for the throw-in. At what point do most of you consider as the time that team A can no longer call a TO.
A. Immediately after team B secures the ball?
B. After the throw-in person has turned to face the floor to actually throw the ball in? Or
C. After the throw-in is completed and a team B player has secured the ball?
I recognize the issue with team control vs. player control and agree with the other answers. But on a throw-in, there is neither team or player control, so it seems to me that either team can call a TO up until a player IB secures the ball. Feedback?

SECTION 8 - TIME OUT, STOPPING PLAY

Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped whan an official:

Art. 3...Grants a player's/head coach's oral or visual request for a time-out, such request being granted only when

a) The ball is in control or at the disposal of a player of his/her team.

If I started counting, no TO!

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Just Curious
I'm going to use this thread to take a spin on the TO issue.
After a made basket by team A, team B secures the ball and steps OOB for the throw-in. At what point do most of you consider as the time that team A can no longer call a TO.
A. Immediately after team B secures the ball?
B. After the throw-in person has turned to face the floor to actually throw the ball in? Or
C. After the throw-in is completed and a team B player has secured the ball?
I recognize the issue with team control vs. player control and agree with the other answers. But on a throw-in, there is neither team or player control, so it seems to me that either team can call a TO up until a player IB secures the ball. Feedback?

B. The timeout can be granted until the ball is at the disposal of the the throwing team. It is at the disposal when they are in (or could be in ) a position to make the throwin AND you have started the throwin count. If you're not counting, you've already decided they don't have it at their disposal.