backcourt on throw in

[hbomzer]

A1 throw in from front court is tipped into backcourt by A2, who is standing in front court. A2 retrieves ball in backcourt. Should this be legal, since there was no control?
My partner called backcourt, but we discussed afterward that it may have been wrong call since control was not established.
thanx
HB

[Adam]

Not a violation, for the reason you suggest.

[joseph2493]

Must have team control before there can be backcourt.

[Mark Padgett]

If you don't call it, you will get coaches yelling at you. However, it is absolutely the correct no-call. One of the four elements needed for a backcourt violation is team control. If any of the four elements are missing, there is no violation.

There is no team control during a throw-in. During a period of no team control, team control is established by a player gaining player control. Player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. A pass hitting a player or deflecting off a player does not establish player control, therefore no team control (if it didn't exist at the time).

[Ref Daddy]

Expanding the question a bit..... I think I miss these. Its a blend of interrupted dribble, control and FC/BC.

A1 near center circle dribbling. Your signaling & counting closely guarded. B1 swats at ball - makes solid contact. Before going to Backcourt ball rattles around legs and arms like a pinball machine, then appears in backcourt -

A) A1 first to touch it in Backcourt
B) B1 first to touch in Backcourt
c) Ball rolls OObounds in backcourt

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Expanding the question a bit..... I think I miss these. Its a blend of interrupted dribble, control and FC/BC.

A1 near center circle dribbling. Your signaling & counting closely guarded. B1 swats at ball - makes solid contact. Before going to Backcourt ball rattles around legs and arms like a pinball machine, then appears in backcourt -

A) A1 first to touch it in Backcourt
B) B1 first to touch in Backcourt
c) Ball rolls OObounds in backcourt

If I'm not sure whose leg was touched last before it went to backcourt, I'm no-calling this.

Unless one team is more than 30 points ahead. Then the team that's behind gets it. Just kidding!

[TimTaylor]

Originally posted by rainmaker

If I'm not sure whose leg was touched last before it went to backcourt, I'm no-calling this.

Got that right Juulie! If I don't know for fact that A1 touched it last, then either team can go after it. In sit. "c", I'd go to the arrow.....

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Expanding the question a bit..... I think I miss these. Its a blend of interrupted dribble, control and FC/BC.

A1 near center circle dribbling. Your signaling & counting closely guarded. B1 swats at ball - makes solid contact. Before going to Backcourt ball rattles around legs and arms like a pinball machine, then appears in backcourt -

A) A1 first to touch it in Backcourt
B) B1 first to touch in Backcourt
c) Ball rolls OObounds in backcourt

The directionality of the players can help in who touched it last. It is kind of difficult for a player standing by a boundary slapping the ball AWAY from the boundary to cause the ball to cross that boundary.

It is not a 100%, because the ball may glance off them, but it should become part of the equation on these types of plays.

[Hartsy]

Originally posted by rainmaker
Unless one team is more than 30 points ahead. Then the team that's behind gets it. Just kidding! [/B]

I was watching a varsity game the other night where just this thing happened. A veteran official whistled on an OOB. His very words were "I'm not sure who's ball it is so we'll give it to Blue. They're behind" It was late in the game and about 35 points difference. This official is well known in the area as being very good, but also very laid back.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by blindzebra
[/B]

The directionality of the players can help in who touched it last.

[/B][/QUOTE]Directionality?

Gasp. BZ may be coming down with MTD Sr. disease. He's starting to show the symptoms. We may have to have him spayed.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

The directionality of the players can help in who touched it last.

[/B]

Directionality?

Gasp. BZ may be coming down with MTD Sr. disease. He's starting to show the symptoms. We may have to have him spayed. [/B][/QUOTE]

You mean neutered.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by blindzebra

[/B]

We may have to have him spayed. [/B][/QUOTE]

You mean neutered. [/B][/QUOTE]Oh? (big)

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

We may have to have him spayed. [/B]

You mean neutered. [/B][/QUOTE]Oh? (big) [/B][/QUOTE]

Spayed means removing the ovaries.

Neutered is not gender specific by definition, but is generally considered castrating a male.

Spayed, neutered, castration, eunuch and Bushref getting banned all in 24 hours...

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by blindzebra
Spayed, neutered, castration, eunuch and Bushref getting banned all in 24 hours...

And the hits just keep on coming...