One hand or two hands

[ref18]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

NCAA 4-43 AR 30, part of which reads, "The intent of this rule is to prevent a player from gaining an advantage byu using any part of the leg."

The NFHS Rule is:

4-29 Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

I don't know in a high school game if holding it with your legs is considered striking it, but in my mind it isn't.

[blindzebra]

If the player has the ball land between their legs and they just squeeze it, nothing, if the ball is by their foot and they use their leg to pull it in, that is kicking.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ref18
The NFHS Rule is:

4-29 Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

I don't know in a high school game if holding it with your legs is considered striking it, but in my mind it isn't.

The NCAA rule is the same.

JR asekd us to "predict" what was in an old case book. That's my prediction. I await MTD's next trip to his attic.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

The NCAA rule is the same.

JR asekd us to "predict" what was in an old case book. That's my prediction. I await MTD's next trip to his attic.

JR's mind is a dusty, old attic. To the best of my remembrance:
- the old case book play dated back to sometime in the 60's. It stated that holding the ball firmly between the legs was to be viewed to be the same as player possession, and that if an opponent placed a hand(s) -note one or two hands- so firmly on the ball that neither player could do anything---> held ball. That led to discussions about whether laying on top of the ball or trapping it in your armpit meant the same thing too with regards to "possession", or whether you could move your legs with the ball trapped between them to keep it away from an opponent. IIRR, the FED or somebody then sent out a memo saying that the case book play was being removed, basketball wasn't meant to be played with the legs, and that we should basically treat the play the same way that Bob has been describing. Iow it's a violation if you used your legs in any way to do something with the ball(example- pull it to yourself or away from an opponent) except reach down with your hands and grab it after you trapped it with your legs. I can't remember which violation it was that they recommended that we use, but "kicking" would seem to have been the logical one.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jan 23rd, 2005 at 01:44 PM]