HIgh School Rules Question

evrclear02 · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 03:56pm

Got in an argument with a ref today in my work league, which goes by High School Rules about the following simple play:

I was inbounding the ball underneath my own basket after the other team turned the ball over. I threw the ball to my teamamte who was on our side, but the ball got past him and went into the opposing teams side of the court. My teammate did not touch the ball until it was on the other side. Is this over and back?

Thanks.

evrclear02 · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 04:05pm

I did argue for a while, but the referee insisted I was wrong, he was right. It was frustrating because I knew I've seen this before. I need to get my hands on a Missouri High School rulebook.

mick · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 04:07pm

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Originally posted by evrclear02
Got in an argument with a ref today in my work league, which goes by High School Rules about the following simple play:

I was inbounding the ball underneath my own basket after the other team turned the ball over. I threw the ball to my teamamte who was on our side, but the ball got past him and went into the opposing teams side of the court. My teammate did not touch the ball until it was on the other side. Is this over and back?

Thanks.

evrclear02,
Welcome to the forum.

If after your throw-in ended and none of your teammates had held or dribbled (controlled) the ball in your front court (like you said), then there was no team control in the front court and, thus, no back court violation.

Did it do any good *arguing* with the ref?

mick

BktBallRef · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 05:12pm

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Originally posted by evrclear02
I was inbounding the ball underneath my own basket after the other team turned the ball over. I threw the ball to my teamamte who was on our side, but the ball got past him and went into the opposing teams side of the court. My teammate did not touch the ball until it was on the other side. Is this over and back?

It doesn't matter whether your teammate touched the ball or not. This is NOT a BC violation.

BTW, there's no such thing as a Missouri High School Rule Book. All states play by the NFHS Rule Book.

Rev.Ref63 · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 05:18pm

Although this is an easy call, it is amazing how many officials miss this one. I've worked two games this year where my partner got it wrong. Both times I tactfully explained the rule to him and showed him the case book where this situation was covered.

Is this an incident that would warrant over-ruling your partner? Is this something that should be brought up during the pre-game?

firedoc · #6 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 05:36pm

In NFHS rules there is no such thing as over-ruling your partner. All officials are equal. In this situation, if you feel that your partner has made an error, you should approach him quietly and out of earshot of everyone else and explain exactly what you saw. It is then up to him to decide if he should change his call based on the information which you provided him.

BktBallRef · #7 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 05:37pm

You can't OVERRULE your partner.

You go to him, tell him what you saw and let him make the change if he decides to.

Rev.Ref63 · #8 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 06:22pm

Thank you both for correcting me. I agree that "over-rule" was not the proper wording. Let me rephrase the question: Would this be a situation in which you would go and speak to your partner and explain the rule to him, or would you wait until a time-out?

evrclear02 · #9 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 06:54pm

Is there anywhere online I can access this rule in the HS Rule Book or is this something anyone can copy and paste to me? I would love to print this out and show it to him next weekend.

Thanks

Mark Padgett · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 07:37pm

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Originally posted by evrclear02
Is there anywhere online I can access this rule in the HS Rule Book or is this something anyone can copy and paste to me? I would love to print this out and show it to him next weekend.

Thanks

The NF's copyright attorneys will be glad to copy and paste a rulebook and send it to you. You can contact them at 1-800-PLAGIARIZE.

evrclear02 · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 08:04pm

Don't have to be a smart guy buddy...just asking for some help.

Ref Daddy · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 15, 2005, 08:27pm

SECTION 9 BACKCOURT
A player shall not
ART. 1 . . . Be the first to touch a ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.
ART. 2 . . . While in team control in its backcourt, cause the ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt and return to backcourt, without the ball touching a player in the frontcourt, and be the first to touch it in the backcourt.

Furthermore:
ART. 3 . . . A player from the team not in control (defensive player or during a jump ball or throw-in) may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.
PENALTY: (Section 9) The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation.