The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Sat Jan 15, 2005, 09:56pm
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Houghton, U.P., Michigan
Posts: 9,953
Quote:
Originally posted by evrclear02
Thank you for the response, although I'm still trying to interpret the rule in the context of my scenario.
In accordance with Ref Daddy's post, it is apparent that Team control is a requirement leading to an over-and-back violation.

Now look at the definitions of player control and of team control:
  • Rule 4-12-1 A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball in bounds.
  • Rule 4-12-2 A team is in control of the ball when a player of the team is in control.
  • Rule 4-12-6 Neither team control nor player control exists during a dead ball, throw-in, a jump ball, or when the ball is in flight during a try or tap.

    In your case there was no team control during the throw-in nor was there team control by any of your teammates who had not held or dribbled the live ball inbounds until it was retreived in the back court.
    It is easy to see there was no team control while the ball was in your front court. Player/Team control originated in your back court.
    Thus, there could be no over-and-back violation. The ball never went over. It only went back.
    mick
  • Reply With Quote
      #17 (permalink)  
    Old Sat Jan 15, 2005, 10:08pm
    Official Forum Member
     
    Join Date: Jan 2005
    Posts: 7
    Thanks Mick...very helpful.
    Reply With Quote
      #18 (permalink)  
    Old Sat Jan 15, 2005, 11:11pm
    Official Forum Member
     
    Join Date: Nov 2000
    Location: Central Wisconsin
    Posts: 1,069
    Hmmmmm

    EvrClear02:

    Welcome to the forum!

    I hope your brief exposure into the NFHS Rulebook has given you a greater appreciation of the challenges officials encounter when memorizing the rules and their quirky nuances and applying them wisely (and instantaneously) in game situations.

    Let me caution you... A little knowledge can be dangerous. Just observe the typical fan or the ranting and raving coach . Often times their percieved injustice is generated from a lack of rules knowledge and application. It is hoped that you now understand the basis for the label of FANatic.

    One other thing that the typical fan does not understand: Officials DO NOT CARE WHO WINS.

    I hope your visit to the forum has been pleasurable and made you a better fan of (and in) the game.

    Best wishes.
    __________________
    "Stay in the game!"
    Reply With Quote
    Reply

    Bookmarks


    Posting Rules
    You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is On
    Trackbacks are On
    Pingbacks are On
    Refbacks are On



    All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:02pm.



    Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1