Your Tolerance Level Compared to Your Partners

[tomegun]

IMHO the benefit of rec ball is it will prepare you for various situations. Things happen in rec ball that will not happen in a HS or college game. I would say use this situation to your advantage. I don't know if you told us the whole story but it seems to me that you might want to speak up a little more for yourself. This is a cut-throat business and your partner took some of your credibility. I would of at least told my partner that I had the situation under control and please don't do that in the future.

[joseph2493]

Originally posted by CentralINRef
If you can always try and book your rec league games with a partner that you are comfortable with. This may be one guy or a number of guys. I do not know your experience level but working with different experienced partners can help you become a better official. I know last year when I started working rec ball the guy that puts the schedule together for officials seen that I really cared about getting better every time out. So he always seemed to put me with a partner that had alot of experience, and didn't mind answering a thousand questions from me about different situations that came up during our games. I know that this has made me a better official in a shorter amount of time than I would have just working with anyone.

The funny thing is that I am normally the one answering all the questions for the other guys. Our assignor sends the 1st and 2nd year guys out there to work with the other vets so that they can get experience with experience. My partner that night was only a second year.

[joseph2493]

Originally posted by tomegun
IMHO the benefit of rec ball is it will prepare you for various situations. Things happen in rec ball that will not happen in a HS or college game. I would say use this situation to your advantage. I don't know if you told us the whole story but it seems to me that you might want to speak up a little more for yourself. This is a cut-throat business and your partner took some of your credibility. I would of at least told my partner that I had the situation under control and please don't do that in the future.

I spoke to him about it after all the games were over. As I said previously I was the one out there to work with and answer his questions. I told him that I didn't appreciate him making a fool of us and that in the future he needs to let his partner handle their own "problems."

[ditttoo]

Rec ball, just like middle school and sub-varsity, is a great learning experience. You can learn from this. Certainly you can learn that your partner is a bit off center and that everybody is a bit different. But did you learn that you needed to do a better pre-game conference and talk about this situation BEFORE it occured? It being Rec league, did you even have a pre-game discussion and if you did, did it last longer than a minute? Were you on the same page as your partner BEFORE the game started or were you just "hoping".

Certainly you did nothing wrong here, but LEARN from the experience and take steps to prevent it from ever happening again. Suggest a pre-game discussion on "when to help and when not to help" may be a solution. Even though it was "only a Rec league" and you weren't getting paid top dollar, situations like this tend to happen when you're unprepared.

Good luck! Unfortunately there are a lot of "those kind of officials" out there. So pre-game the situation BEFOREHAND and not let the hotheads take control.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by tomegun
IMHO the benefit of rec ball is it will prepare you for various situations. Things happen in rec ball that will not happen in a HS or college game.

I'm curious what kinds of situations happen in Rec Ball that you wouldn't see in high school or college games?

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by Smitty

I'm curious what kinds of situations happen in Rec Ball that you wouldn't see in high school or college games?

This is probably more of what was ment:... I don't think you can say "things happen in rec ball that will not happen in a HS or college games?" I think it's safe to say "it's easier to fix things when they come up in rec ball rather than when they happen in a HS or College game". I also think that because rec ball is not the same quality, you are more apt to have the weird or unusual things come up more often, whereas in a HS game you might not see something but once per year.

EX: coach says to A6, go get A1, so A6 runs from his seat straight to A1 without reporting to the table.

[mick]

Originally posted by Smitty
I'm curious what kinds of situations happen in Rec Ball that you wouldn't see in high school or college games?

Unsporting actions:

Technical fouls - cursing, threatening, dead ball contact

Intentional fouls - shoving, holding, submarining

Flagrant fouls - any/all of above.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by Smitty

I'm curious what kinds of situations happen in Rec Ball that you wouldn't see in high school or college games?

Okay, so if it's in the book, it's prolly there because it happened in a high school or college game. But you can bet you'll run into a "interesting" situations a lotmore frequently in rec ball.

[bossref]

There are lots and lots of things that can/do happen
in rec ball that are different & usually tolerated, but in any case, you've got to learn to roll with it.

Such as
using "identifiers" when players don't have numbers.
allowing subs to enter without really being beckoned
due to a running clock.
dealing with scorekeepers who don't pay attention.
keeping track of A/P or team fouls on your own.
dealing with business owners not used to taking orders
dealing with players who's skill level has deteriorated
special rules for foul outs and defenses
players arriving late (not in book)
hanging on rim and slapping the board
slightly moving out of the designated spot
spirited smack talking amongst friendly rivals

Common sense must be used (as opposed to strictly going
by the book) when dealing with rec league players.
They pay to play.

If you're worried about losing your sharpness of signalling,
concentrate and do the same as you would if working "organized" ball.

[Smitty]

Originally posted by bossref
There are lots and lots of things that can/do happen
in rec ball that are different & usually tolerated, but in any case, you've got to learn to roll with it.

Such as
using "identifiers" when players don't have numbers.
allowing subs to enter without really being beckoned
due to a running clock.
dealing with scorekeepers who don't pay attention.
keeping track of A/P or team fouls on your own.
dealing with business owners not used to taking orders
dealing with players who's skill level has deteriorated
special rules for foul outs and defenses
players arriving late (not in book)
hanging on rim and slapping the board
slightly moving out of the designated spot
spirited smack talking amongst friendly rivals

Common sense must be used (as opposed to strictly going
by the book) when dealing with rec league players.
They pay to play.

If you're worried about losing your sharpness of signalling,
concentrate and do the same as you would if working "organized" ball.

OK I'll give you most of those. I wouldn't allow some of it to go unpunished (hanging on the rim, for example), but you definitely make some good points. I was going to use standard HS mechanics during my sentence of working rec ball, but with a running clock, it looks pretty silly when you chop in the clock and it never stopped running in the first place. And you can't take the time to jog to the correct spot after calling a foul to report it. And you can't switch on every foul.

[ChrisSportsFan]

I hate it when those stinken 5th and 6th graders hang on the rim and then smack talk. I think it's just about unfathomable that those kids can talk that much smack.

[bossref]

Can't any thread stay on topic without freakin' sarcasm
every time!

We try to preach about running your mouth and say,
"Don't talk unless you can improve the silence".

I hate it when threads get so off topic and full of BS.

Kudos to this site and to most of the posters.
To those who always want to be sarcastic, why not just go
visit a yahoo chat line or go to your local watering hole and tell jokes to the drunk sitting next to you.

I bet this'll open up a can of worms!

[mick]

Originally posted by bossref
I bet this'll open up a can of worms!

Barry,
Live bait is good, ...but I prefer soft plastic.
mick

[Robmoz]

Originally posted by Smitty
OK I'll give you most of those. I wouldn't allow some of it to go unpunished (hanging on the rim, for example), but you definitely make some good points. I was going to use standard HS mechanics during my sentence of working rec ball, but with a running clock, it looks pretty silly when you chop in the clock and it never stopped running in the first place. And you can't take the time to jog to the correct spot after calling a foul to report it. And you can't switch on every foul.

Actually, I always STILL use the standard mechanics even with a running clock with the exception of switching on every foul call (if I have mulitple games). I let the teams know at the beginning that we are playing under HS rules (per the league) and that the only difference is the running clock and that FT's will be played on release.

Regardless of a running clock, the game still goes at YOUR pace. If you want to switch on foul calls then do so, it just might tire you out if you have 3-4 games to work. You can still practice your other mechanics like chop clock, inbound spots, partner communication, foul reporting, etc. Who cares if it looks silly, use the time as an opportunity to work on your game.

[ChrisSportsFan]

coupla places we do rec ball at is assigned by one of our HS assignors so most of the refs are patched. this is one of the reasons this league is so popular is because of the officiating. during spring/summer, he really doesn't care much about switching but during the fall he expect everyone to ramp up and "do it right". all year long we are required to use the other proper mechanics. of course during the winter session, most of us are to busy to get very many rec games in. we don't mind working these leagues either because you'll usually have quality partners.