Go Dressed??? - Page 5

Jurassic Referee · #61 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 08:33am

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
Despite some of the arrogance being tossed around, it is true coming to a ballgame dressed IS an indication of your attitude MOST times. I have officiated softball for several years, and whe I am forced to do slowpitch leagues, I have to wear a uniform to the field because there are no facilites at the field.

Too good to do slowpitch leagues, big dawg? Wouldn't you classify that as maybe being "arrogant" too? I would.

Pot...kettle...black...

ChrisSportsFan · #62 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 08:52am

If I ever have to get dressed for a basketball game in the back of my truck, I'm going to at least close the tailgate so I can have some privacy.

azbigdawg · #63 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 10:07am

no..I LOVE to do slowpitch leages..its how I started and how I will finish...humor...... try it....

Jurassic Referee · #64 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 10:57am

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
no..I LOVE to do slowpitch leages..its how I started and how I will finish...humor...... try it....

If you're gonna accuse people of "arrogance", maybe you should add a smiley to show that you're not serious. That is, if you weren't.

WinterWillie · #65 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 11:04am

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originally posted by Smitty
I know that a lot of the places I've been given to change are pretty disgusting.

Some years ago I worked the AAU Boys National Basketball Championships at the Disney Wide World of Sports facility in Orlando, Florida. Every place I have been to since them has paled in comparison.

Robmoz · #66 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 12:08pm

To me, the officials are a part of the "show". That is, we are one of the stars in the performance. We are afforded respect before we even hit the floor maybe because we represent some sort of authority figure or perhaps due to our professionalism, reputation, or presence.

We are given (most times) our own dressing room. We have "handlers" at the game sites that serve our needs for accessability (locker room keys), refreshments (water/gatorade), medical aid (trainers).

We function independent of the teams, coaches, and administrators. People look to us for answers. We make important decisions that impact many aspects of the game, schools, and lives of the participants to some extent.

We need to live up to others' expectations and carry ourselves in a high regard without being arrogant. The first impression we make may be the most important or second only to our skills we use to perform our duties.

Don't take your duties as an official lightly and pay attention to the little things, act like you are the best then show them.

Rich · #67 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 12:18pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge

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Originally posted by Smitty
I will still not judge anyone else's decision to come to the gym dressed.

No one is judging anyone. We are saying that the action looks unprofessional as it relates to officiating (which can apply to other actions we do). That is not judging that is point out what is expected. Those that comes dressed have the right to do it and the people that will suffer the consequences are those officials that do it. I always wonder when someone comes here and says they cannot move up and blame it on politics. I wonder if things like this are what might be holding them back. Like Rich said, I have to show up for varsity game an hour before game time. I am not going to sit in the stands with my uniform. I want most of the people to not know I am an official until we get onto the court. I do not want people asking me questions about the prelim officials or standing out like a sore thumb. Of course some will see me walk in with a bag, but the majority of the crowd did not see me enter the game. Or they were not paying attention. It is hard to not see what cloths I have on when I sit and watch.

Peace

Oh, but they know you're an official anyway, especially when you walk in with an equipment bag (I went to a bag on wheels this season) and the changing room takes you on a stroll through the gym.

tomegun · #68 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 12:30pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
(it's okay for me to say that, tomegun, I've worked with him before!) [/B]

I marked you off on my list

I like to dress at the gym. I don't think there is any place worse for officials to dress across the board than here where I work. When I lived in Phoenix I went to Sunnyslope HS and they had a locker room with a sitting room, huge cooler full of sports drinks in ice and exercise bike. They had the towels in the locker and a card that said "welcome......while you are here we will do .......for you." Very nice!

I thought about it and I don't personally know any good refs who aren't somewhat arrogant.

[Edited by tomegun on Jan 12th, 2005 at 12:35 PM]

JRutledge · #69 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 01:58pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
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Oh, but they know you're an official anyway, especially when you walk in with an equipment bag (I went to a bag on wheels this season) and the changing room takes you on a stroll through the gym.

You are right on many levels. But when I get into the gym, there usually is not very big crowd. And many of the schools I work might not take you through the gym (like my game on Saturday). My point was that most of the crowd is not going to see who you are until you get on the court if you get at the game site early enough. But there is a lot of truth in what you say.

Peace

Chess Ref · #70 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 02:02pm

Woohoo i have an opinion and I am only a newbie. i dress at the facility. i also wear a tie when i go out to eat and also to funerals/memorials. Sometimes I am the only one to have a tie on but i still do it anyway. i live in California so things are a little more liberal than other places. Its funny but wearing a tie and white shirt people assume i am a conservative but i really am a left wing liberal. having said that if dress and perception has no bearing on stuff why does the President wear a tie at state of the Union speeches etc. If he was so inclined could he not wear his wifes lingerie and it wouldn't make any difference in how he does his job..J. Edgar Hoover might be a better example but my point is dress matters and it impacts peoples perception of you. And i look good in suit and tie.. LOL

azbigdawg · #71 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 02:04pm

Chess Ref... Condolances on being a left wing liberal...

azbigdawg · #72 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 02:07pm

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Originally posted by azbigdawg
no..I LOVE to do slowpitch leages..its how I started and how I will finish...humor...... try it....
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If you're gonna accuse people of "arrogance", maybe you should add a smiley to show that you're not serious. That is, if you weren't.

Point taken, Jurrasic..hope youre not always this intense....and the arrogance comment still stands....different strokes for different folks..I believe the best way is to dress at the facility when you can..others dont. If they are willing to accept any consequences (if there are any) so be it...

JRutledge · #73 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 02:27pm

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Originally posted by azbigdawg

Point taken, Jurrasic..hope youre not always this intense....and the arrogance comment still stands....different strokes for different folks..I believe the best way is to dress at the facility when you can..others dont. If they are willing to accept any consequences (if there are any) so be it...

I would like to know what someone said that was arrogant? I do not think it is arrogant to state your opinion. If you disagree with someone's point of view that is definitely your option. I would not call it arrogant to state an opinion or to state what may or may not be acceptable. Actually I do not agree with JR's assessment of your comments about slow pitch softball, I hated that stuff too. But I agree that it could be perceived that way if you are in the same breathe accusing someone of being arrogant when they just give their opinion.

Peace

Chess Ref · #74 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 02:32pm

Hey no wise cracks from the Valley of the Sun. i grew up in Kingman and left the Grand canyon State and never looked back.. My brother lives and coaches in Flagstaff.

Jurassic Referee · #75 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 12, 2005, 05:05pm

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Originally posted by Chess Ref
If he was so inclined could he not wear his wifes lingerie and it wouldn't make any difference in how he does his job..J. Edgar Hoover might be a better example but my point is dress matters and it impacts peoples perception of you.

J. Edgar Hoover did not have a wife. From what I've read though, it is true that he did wear lingerie.