Your automatic Ts pet peeves?

[ace]

Balls bouncing after it bounces off of the rim and my partner called a travel no shot - and the kid punches the ball and screams loudly.... I didnt have time to think.. :whistle in mouth - make t- sign - blow sharp blast on whistle: Ok ...


Coach says something that made me go huh... to the effect of "how can you guys not call this junk, are you blind, or just not blowing the whistle"? Close ball game - balls still out of bounds.. he's standing maybe 2 feet away from me - ball goes out of bound. I turn and look at him and said quietly so only he and I could hear... "Coach at half time we decided we were going to let the players decide this ball game for themselves... What you just could have earned you a T. My partner and I are working as hard as we can out here all I'm asking is that you work with us and choose your comments more wisely so that the players do decide this ball game." he sat down and didnt say a word to us for the rest of the game. His team stayed with-in 2 for the rest of the ball game after they closed the 10 point defict they put em in ... so... A t could have either furthered thier defecit or turned aroun and inspired them to play harder.... The T was EASILY justified... but sometimes - my automatics need to change. I've been labled as trigger happy by some officials in my area... But I try so hard to not give them but usually get backed into a corner where I have to.

[mick]

Originally posted by ace
I turn and look at him and said quietly so only he and I could hear... "Coach at half time we decided we were going to let the players decide this ball game for themselves...."

ace,
Did you really?
Were you funnin' or factin'?
mick

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I know a lot of people feel that way, and maybe I just need to wake up and smell the coffee, but why is slamming the ball an automatic? What's so terrible about it? It's usually directed at oneself, not at the officiating, in my experience. It seems to me to be a lot like the kid who is called for a foul and then goes and slams his hand against the padding on the wall.

I'm just asking. I had one of these this year already. The ball bounced about rim-high and came right down into my hands and neither my partner nor I whistled it.

Chuck, I don't think it qualifies as a slam if the ball goes rim high and plops down into your hands.

To me, it's a slam if I need to move my head to watch the ball go up up up up up and then back down down down down down. I don't have a bag full of behaviors that are 'automatic' but IMO that one is as close as it gets simply because it is so obvious, regardless of the kid's intent.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Hotlink501
I would be very inclined to give a whack to a player or coach that slammed their hand against the padding on the wall or elsewhere if I had just made a call against them or him, because I feel like that is showing disgust with with my call.

How do you know? Did you ask the player and thats what he or she told you.

[williebfree]

Originally posted by mick

ace,
Did you really?
Were you funnin' or factin'?
mick

I certainly hope Ace was "funnin'" cause I would have some serious issues with the "Let's Make A Deal" nature of this episode.

If I'm an opposing coach and I had any sense that your "conspiring with", "bartering with", "conniving", or otherwise scheming, I would major issues with your behavior.

[Edited by williebfree on Jan 3rd, 2005 at 09:46 PM]

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

How do you know? Did you ask the player and thats what he or she told you.

Or maybe he just made a disgusting call and the wall slam was justified?

[Mark Dexter]

This used to be an automatic T from me.

Went to a few camps, called this as usual, and got chewed out - I think I've come to realize that slamming the ball can mean a lot of different things, and that a technical isn't always warranted.

(We'll see if that thinking carries over to frat league games next month . . .)

[gordon30307]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I know a lot of people feel that way, and maybe I just need to wake up and smell the coffee, but why is slamming the ball an automatic? What's so terrible about it? It's usually directed at oneself, not at the officiating, in my experience. It seems to me to be a lot like the kid who is called for a foul and then goes and slams his hand against the padding on the wall.

I'm just asking. I had one of these this year already. The ball bounced about rim-high and came right down into my hands and neither my partner nor I whistled it.

Teed a player this evening for slamming the ball. If they slam the ball and catch it most likely no Tee. If they slam the ball and it goes flying I Tee them. Just my rule of thumb.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by gordon30307
If they slam the ball and it goes flying I Tee them. Just my rule of thumb.

I understand that it's a lot of people's rule of thumb. I was just asking why it's a rule of thumb. Dan's the only one who answered. "Because it's obvious". Doesn't really seem good enough for me. A legal jump stop is an "obvious" travel to most of the crowd. That doesn't mean we're gonna call it. I know the crowd and coaches expect a T for the slam. Probably b/c somebody told them it was an automatic T. I'm just trying to figure why it's an automatic.

If everybody says it's an automatic T and I'm just a dolt, then I'll call the T and live with that. I'm just asking.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I understand that it's a lot of people's rule of thumb. I was just asking why it's a rule of thumb. Dan's the only one who answered. "Because it's obvious". Doesn't really seem good enough for me. A legal jump stop is an "obvious" travel to most of the crowd. That doesn't mean we're gonna call it. I know the crowd and coaches expect a T for the slam. Probably b/c somebody told them it was an automatic T. I'm just trying to figure why it's an automatic.

If everybody says it's an automatic T and I'm just a dolt, then I'll call the T and live with that. I'm just asking.

OK, I'll play along.

Firstly, I don't care what's obvious or not to the fans (I know neither do you, but I did want to clear that up). But it is obvious to the players & coaches. Using your analogy, if I'm no calling travels (or what might seem to be travels) then after a few no-calls everyone settles down and forgets about it and there's no real negative effect on the game. But if I no-call an *obvious* T then I'm on a slippery slope and I might have to no-call the next one in the name of consistency and before you know it the game's gone in the toilet. Think of it as the so-called "quality of life" offenses that the cops crack down on simply because they are seen as the first cracks in the civil structure.

Make sense?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Think of it as the so-called "quality of life" offenses that the cops crack down on simply because they are seen as the first cracks in the civil structure.

Basically, it's the Barney Fife Doctrine: "Nip it in the bud!"

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Basically, it's the Barney Fife Doctrine: "Nip it in the bud!"

[Robmoz]

See Rule 10-3-7-a :

Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts of conduct such as:

a. Disrespectfully addressing or contact an official or gesturing in such a manner as to indicate resentment.

Now, slamming the ball or hitting the padding pursuant to a whistle can certainly fall under an unsporting gesture that indicates resentment. When this happens to me, the kicker for the T usually requires some verbalization to accompany the act which will determine if it was intended towards the official or self-directed.

[thumpferee]

OK, you wanna eye-ball me, then watch this, BANG!!


By the way Danref, GREAT RESPONSE with the pic.

Get's me thinkin though, you have too much time on your hands! Punn intended!


[Edited by thumpferee on Jan 4th, 2005 at 02:20 PM]

[ChrisSportsFan]

I will Barney Fife a kid who's giving me the "stinky eye" in a hurry.