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jr Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:51am

fed rules...is there anything in the rule book/ officials manual to deal with a 'stuck' net?

other than the fact that we have always blown the whistle to untangle the net, is there anything in print?

i can think of 2 reasons NOT to untangle...#1, it has no bearing on the ball going in/out...#2, by blowing whistle, we reward the defense and give them the ability to press, etc...

ref18 Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:58am

I'm not sure what the books say, but I usually wait for the next dead ball unless it's a made basket to fix the net.

Back In The Saddle Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:04pm

The book doesn't say. There's been quite a bit of debate about it here. You might want to google a bit and see if you can find it. If you do stop the game to get the net down, you need to let subs in. Decide whether you're going to stop the game or not, and be consistent.

ChuckElias Fri Dec 24, 2004 02:18pm

No need to google. Leave the net alone. It's not going to stop the next shot from going in. If it really, really bugs you, fix it at a natural stoppage. Do not stop the game to fix it.

som44 Fri Dec 24, 2004 04:20pm

I agree with Chuck. We have been told not to stop game. Fix it at the next natural stopage.

BktBallRef Fri Dec 24, 2004 04:59pm

I don't stop the game for stuck nets or untied shoes.

zebraman Fri Dec 24, 2004 07:28pm

Like you say, it's not addressed in the book. In my area, everyone blows the whistle and stops the game when the net wraps.

Besides, I've had the net wrap to the point where it gets stuck on those little metal "thingies" that hold the net (yes, only a couple times). That would prevent the next shot from going in.

Z

JRutledge Fri Dec 24, 2004 08:11pm

The NF and Referee Magazine put out a ruling in their yearly Guidebook I believe last year that addressed this. They said that if it happens once you might stop the game. If it keeps happening, do not keep stopping the game every time it happens. If the problem is that bad, have the game management put on a new net. So basically do not make a big deal out of it.

Peace

Nevadaref Sat Dec 25, 2004 08:11am

I disagree for two reasons:
1. MTD posted something here last season from the NFHS about how to handle the situation. It said to have someone down there on the end to fix it with a pole or something while play goes the other way, but if that wasn't possible to stop the game and fix the net.
2. 1-10-1 states that each basket shall have a net "suspended from beneath the ring." In my opinion if the net is wrapped/caught up around the ring, then the basket does not meet the specifications in the rules book and the game should be stopped in order to address the playing conditions. IOW you have an illegal basket at one end of the court.

Robmoz Sat Dec 25, 2004 08:42pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
No need to google. Leave the net alone. It's not going to stop the next shot from going in. If it really, really bugs you, fix it at a natural stoppage. Do not stop the game to fix it.
I have seen a stuck net reject a ball from going through on more than one occaison. But, always wait for a stoppage.

David M Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:26am

We were told in our annual interpretation meeting (IAABO) a couple of years ago not to stop the game but to fix at the next dead ball.

gordon30307 Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:37am

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
I don't stop the game for stuck nets or untied shoes.
Interesting. In a Fed. game a great deal of emphasis is put on safety (no jewelry, no hard objects in hair no exposed hinges on braces no hard casts etc.) of the players. IMHO unitied shoes falls into this category. I agree don't take away a good scoring opportuinity but why not after a made basket or a team is walking the ball up the court blow the whistle and have the issue resolved? If you came across spilled water on the floor would you not take care of it at the most opportune moment?

Adam Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:39am

Quote:

Originally posted by gordon30307
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
I don't stop the game for stuck nets or untied shoes.
Interesting. In a Fed. game a great deal of emphasis is put on safety (no jewelry, no hard objects in hair no exposed hinges on braces no hard casts etc.) of the players. IMHO unitied shoes falls into this category. I agree don't take away a good scoring opportuinity but why not after a made basket or a team is walking the ball up the court blow the whistle and have the issue resolved? If you came across spilled water on the floor would you not take care of it at the most opportune moment?

I think the argument here would be that a stuck net is not a safety issue.

gordon30307 Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:43am


I think the argument here would be that a stuck net is not a safety issue. [/B][/QUOTE]

Not talking about stuck nets.

Adam Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:59am

Ah, shoe laces. Sorry about that.
I won't stop play for that, but I'll prolong a dead ball to let them tie their shoes. They don't need a dead ball to tie their shoes; as they can take care of that in about 5 seconds while their teammates cover for them.


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