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tonyp Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:57pm
There's also 10-3-6a - "preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play"

FrankHtown Wed Dec 22, 2004 01:07pm
10-3-6-a; delaying the game by acts such as..Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put into play.
Two free throws & ball for division line throw in

Camron Rust Wed Dec 22, 2004 04:50pm
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Originally posted by Robmoz
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
T and put 3 seconds on the clock. The T is not for delay of game but for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Cam -

Well, technically speaking, you are to be corrected....

Per 9.2.11 - COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower's efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.
While your citation is indeed correct, this situation also falls under 10-3-6a as was just mentioned by tonyp and FrankHtown. That was I was basing my ruling on but didn't take the time to locate the rule.\

So, there are two rules which can cover this situation. Both have exactly the same outcome so it doesn't really matter which one you choose.

blindzebra Wed Dec 22, 2004 05:28pm
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:
Originally posted by Robmoz
Quote:
Originally posted by Camron Rust
T and put 3 seconds on the clock. The T is not for delay of game but for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Cam -

Well, technically speaking, you are to be corrected....

Per 9.2.11 - COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower's efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.
While your citation is indeed correct, this situation also falls under 10-3-6a as was just mentioned by tonyp and FrankHtown. That was I was basing my ruling on but didn't take the time to locate the rule.\

So, there are two rules which can cover this situation. Both have exactly the same outcome so it doesn't really matter which one you choose.
Not exactly.

If the game goes to OT, by using the delay T the team now has a warning in the book as well, that may come into play in the OT.;)

rainmaker Wed Dec 22, 2004 08:18pm
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by Robmoz
Quote:
Originally posted by Camron Rust
T and put 3 seconds on the clock. The T is not for delay of game but for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Cam -

Well, technically speaking, you are to be corrected....

Per 9.2.11 - COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower's efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.
While your citation is indeed correct, this situation also falls under 10-3-6a as was just mentioned by tonyp and FrankHtown. That was I was basing my ruling on but didn't take the time to locate the rule.\

So, there are two rules which can cover this situation. Both have exactly the same outcome so it doesn't really matter which one you choose.
Not exactly.

If the game goes to OT, by using the delay T the team now has a warning in the book as well, that may come into play in the OT.;)
Except that you DONT GIVE THE WARNING. So it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.

blindzebra Wed Dec 22, 2004 08:24pm
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
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Originally posted by Robmoz
Quote:
Originally posted by Camron Rust
T and put 3 seconds on the clock. The T is not for delay of game but for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Cam -

Well, technically speaking, you are to be corrected....

Per 9.2.11 - COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower's efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.
While your citation is indeed correct, this situation also falls under 10-3-6a as was just mentioned by tonyp and FrankHtown. That was I was basing my ruling on but didn't take the time to locate the rule.\

So, there are two rules which can cover this situation. Both have exactly the same outcome so it doesn't really matter which one you choose.
Not exactly.

If the game goes to OT, by using the delay T the team now has a warning in the book as well, that may come into play in the OT.;)
Except that you DONT GIVE THE WARNING. So it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Sure you would, you warn after the T for breaking the plane and contacting the ball, I'd see no reason to NOT do it in this situation.

Of course we could double dip the kid and call it an unsporting T AND give them a delay of game warning.:D

BktBallRef Wed Dec 22, 2004 08:27pm
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:
Originally posted by blindzebra
Quote:
Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:
Originally posted by Robmoz
Quote:
Originally posted by Camron Rust
T and put 3 seconds on the clock. The T is not for delay of game but for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Cam -

Well, technically speaking, you are to be corrected....

Per 9.2.11 - COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower's efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.
While your citation is indeed correct, this situation also falls under 10-3-6a as was just mentioned by tonyp and FrankHtown. That was I was basing my ruling on but didn't take the time to locate the rule.\

So, there are two rules which can cover this situation. Both have exactly the same outcome so it doesn't really matter which one you choose.
Not exactly.

If the game goes to OT, by using the delay T the team now has a warning in the book as well, that may come into play in the OT.;)
Except that you DONT GIVE THE WARNING. So it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Yep, you do.

If B1 slaps the ball while thrower A1 has it, it's a technical foul. It's also a warning if no warning has been previously issued. The scorer should be instructed to write it in the book and the coach made aware of it.

rainmaker Wed Dec 22, 2004 08:36pm
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by blindzebra
Quote:
Originally posted by Camron Rust
Quote:
Originally posted by Robmoz
Quote:
Originally posted by Camron Rust
T and put 3 seconds on the clock. The T is not for delay of game but for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Cam -

Well, technically speaking, you are to be corrected....

Per 9.2.11 - COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower's efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.
While your citation is indeed correct, this situation also falls under 10-3-6a as was just mentioned by tonyp and FrankHtown. That was I was basing my ruling on but didn't take the time to locate the rule.\

So, there are two rules which can cover this situation. Both have exactly the same outcome so it doesn't really matter which one you choose.
Not exactly.

If the game goes to OT, by using the delay T the team now has a warning in the book as well, that may come into play in the OT.;)
Except that you DONT GIVE THE WARNING. So it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
Yep, you do.

If B1 slaps the ball while thrower A1 has it, it's a technical foul. It's also a warning if no warning has been previously issued. The scorer should be instructed to write it in the book and the coach made aware of it.
Duh...

Sorry. Too many gingerbread cookies with pretty little sprinkles.

cmathews Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:09am
third hand knowledge is not necessarily good knowledge
 
Ok in the original post I mentioned that this play arrived at my doorstep third hand...well upon further review some facts have changed....Keep in mind that this is now 2nd hand knowledge LOL (which is much better than 3rd hand I might add).. Team A is down by 5 they hit a 3 to bring it to withing 2 with 3 seconds left...it is Team A that indeed grabs the ball hoping for a delay call so that B cannot run out the clock without inbounding the ball...
So the officials just let A stand there with the ball and did nothing, which I believe was correct :D

zebraman Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:43am
Re: third hand knowledge is not necessarily good knowledge
 
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Originally posted by cmathews
Ok in the original post I mentioned that this play arrived at my doorstep third hand...well upon further review some facts have changed....Keep in mind that this is now 2nd hand knowledge LOL (which is much better than 3rd hand I might add).. Team A is down by 5 they hit a 3 to bring it to withing 2 with 3 seconds left...it is Team A that indeed grabs the ball hoping for a delay call so that B cannot run out the clock without inbounding the ball...
So the officials just let A stand there with the ball and did nothing, which I believe was correct :D
That's OK cmathews,

It made for a much better scenario the way you incorrectly posted it the first time. :D

In all seriousness, your original post is the kind of post that I get the most benefit from on this board. The things that rarely happen, but that we may run into eventually. Having thought about them because of this board instead of being surprised by them on the floor is a benefit.

Z

cmathews Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:42pm
BZ
I agree completely....However we have to be able to recall the discussion quickly enough so as not to stand under the basket and filter through all we read here LOL :D

tonyp Thu Dec 23, 2004 01:09pm
You mean you don't have copies of the forum in your back pocket ready to consult at a moments notice!!:)


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