The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 08:27am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 24
Problem in last nights game between the clock keeper and a nasty coach of one team. What is the ruling on substitution for the free throw shooter during free throws. Several times the ball had already been put at the free throwers disposal and the coach would run a player to the scorer's table and then if the shot was made the clock keeper would buzz him in. Also some players were sent late for non-shooters. Doesn't the player have to be at the scorer's table before the ball is at the shooters disposal even if he is substituting for the shooter??. I didn't allow the substitution at one point saying he reported too late and the coach went crazy . Also sent a player back who just came on the court during time out without reporting. The clock keeper wasn't much help all game because he was just letting people in. I talked to the clock keeper and the coach about no player entering the court until beckoned. Things got a little better but the coach only marginal complied with my direction and was a fun one all night. I would appreciate clarification on this rule on substitution during free throws, so I can handle this better next time. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 08:41am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,673
Send a message via MSN to IREFU2 Send a message via Yahoo to IREFU2
SECTION 3 SUBSTITUTION
c. During multiple free-throw personal fouls, substitutions may be made only before the final attempt in the sequence and after the final attempt has been converted.

EXCEPTION: When a player is required by rule to be replaced prior to administering the free throw(s), then all other substitutes who have legally reported may also enter the game.

Subs can only come in before the last shot. Only on a one and one can they come in before the first shot and after the one and one is made, they also can come in. A nice sturn talk with the table will correct this. I usually do a quick pregame with the table while I am checking the books.
__________________
Score the Basket!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 09:01am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Beaver, PA
Posts: 481
Quote:
Originally posted by vawils
Doesn't the player have to be at the scorer's table before the ball is at the shooters disposal even if he is substituting for the shooter??.
No. Substitutes can come into the game on a stopped clock dead ball. A made foul shot makes the ball dead. If the substitute has reported properly, he/she should be allowed to enter the game. IREFU2 quoted the proper reference to the rule. Coaches can be irritating sending in substitutes piecemeal.


__________________
I only wanna know ...
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 09:01am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 24
I was mainly concerned about substitutions for the free throw shooter and when they have to report to the table. Maybe I wasn't clear. They were reporting after the ball was already handed to the shooter - is that ok?

Also another dumb question - no free throws ever for player control foul even in the bonus situation right?

Thanks..
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 09:04am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Beaver, PA
Posts: 481
Quote:
Originally posted by vawils
I was mainly concerned about substitutions for the free throw shooter and when they have to report to the table. Maybe I wasn't clear. They were reporting after the ball was already handed to the shooter - is that ok?
Yes.

Quote:
Originally posted by vawils
Also another dumb question - no free throws ever for player control foul even in the bonus situation right?

Thanks..
Correct.
__________________
I only wanna know ...
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 09:06am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,673
Send a message via MSN to IREFU2 Send a message via Yahoo to IREFU2
As far as a sub for the shooter, after the made basket on the last shot, the sub may come in for the shooter. Of course if the shooter misses the basket, they have to wait for the next dead ball. No free throws on player control.
__________________
Score the Basket!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 09:10am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 24
ok thanks a lot this clears this up. apparently I didn't have it quite right but there were other issues with tht coach and clock keeper that I did correct and I will work harder to get this right next time, still learning. thanks this helps
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 11:31am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 9,466
Send a message via AIM to rainmaker
Quote:
Originally posted by vawils
ok thanks a lot this clears this up. apparently I didn't have it quite right but there were other issues with tht coach and clock keeper that I did correct and I will work harder to get this right next time, still learning. thanks this helps
Good attitude. Being teachable is the best way to move up quickly!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 12:30pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,191
I had a game the other night where one coach sent a sub to the bench for every 2nd free throw so they could set up their press. The one time his players missed the shot, he retracted his sub.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 10, 2004, 12:52pm
certified Hot Mom tester
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: only in my own mind, such as it is
Posts: 12,918
Exclamation

Quote:
Originally posted by vawils
I talked to the clock keeper and the coach about no player entering the court until beckoned.
Start calling Ts and they'll stop.
__________________
Yom HaShoah
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:23pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1