Starting off with a "T"

IREFU2 · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 11:47am

I had a situation the other night where a player attempted a dunk during warmups. My partner was at the table. I looked over at the visiting team as saw the guy on his way down for the dunk, he missed the attempted dunk and pulled down on the rim. Everyone in the gym saw it and laughed because he missed. He came to me and I told him nice try, but you missed it. Too bad we will have to start off with a "T"! Anybody else had this happen?

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 11:57am

Yes. It is not that unusual. Coaches do not know the rules or do not tell their kids the rules so it happens rather often. I at least have this happen once a year where it is obvious to everyone. I there are a couple of times that if I wanted to be really technical, I could have it a few more times.

Peace

Mark Padgett · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 12:07pm

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Originally posted by IREFU2
I had a situation the other night where a player attempted a dunk during warmups. My partner was at the table. I looked over at the visiting team as saw the guy on his way down for the dunk, he missed the attempted dunk and pulled down on the rim. Everyone in the gym saw it and laughed because he missed. He came to me and I told him nice try, but you missed it. Too bad we will have to start off with a "T"! Anybody else had this happen?

Yeah - I had this happen in a 3rd grade girls game.

TimTaylor · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 12:16pm

And to add insult to injury, it's not only a direct T on the player, but an indirect T on the head coach as well, so he loses his rights to the coaching box & must sit the entire game.

If the dunking player also hangs on the rim, that's another direct T on the player (he's now disqualified) and a second indirect T on the coach.

zebraman · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 12:20pm

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Originally posted by TimTaylor
And to add insult to injury, it's not only a direct T on the player, but an indirect T on the head coach as well, so he loses his rights to the coaching box & must sit the entire game.

If the dunking player also hangs on the rim, that's another direct T on the player (he's now disqualified) and a second indirect T on the coach.

Tim,

Please tell me that you would not call 2 technicals in that situation and disqualify the player for the entire game for one pregame dunk. You are kidding right?

Z

golfdesigner · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 12:24pm

Had it in Soph Tourney last year...B1 went up and dunked during layup drill before game...partner called "T" then we told the player it might be a good idea to go tell the coach why he was going to have to sit on the bench for the entire game.

We did go tell coach and informed him of the player's number so he could deal directly with the player.

Started with 2-FTs and ball out opposite table...PA announcer was nice and let everyone in gym know that in 25-years of announcing this was a first for him.

IREFU2 · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 12:25pm

Hmmm, I didnt think about the coach box thing and the coach required to sit. YESH!

TimTaylor · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 12:42pm

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Originally posted by zebraman

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Originally posted by TimTaylor
And to add insult to injury, it's not only a direct T on the player, but an indirect T on the head coach as well, so he loses his rights to the coaching box & must sit the entire game.

If the dunking player also hangs on the rim, that's another direct T on the player (he's now disqualified) and a second indirect T on the coach.

Tim,

Please tell me that you would not call 2 technicals in that situation and disqualify the player for the entire game for one pregame dunk. You are kidding right?

Z

Didn't say I would, only that's what the rule is...

It's been a test question in the past & probably will be again in the future as FED seems to like to recycle them.

Unless there were extenuating circumstances (like a really bad attitude on the part of the player), I'd just assess the T for the pregame dunk (after all, he only grabbed the rim to keep from squashing his 5'2" teammate getting in position for the rebound), then remind the head coach he also now has an indirect T and has to sit the entire game. The a$$ chewing the kid will probably get from the coach as a result will more than likely curb any future exhuberant displays of prowess, shall we say.......

tharbert · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 01:01pm

I had a game about eight years ago where I think the kids got their coach tossed on purpose.

Three different players dunked in about 5 seconds as we were standing in front of the table getting the coaches together. I think the coach knew something was up. I heard the entire team refused to play for him later that season and he was replaced. He came back the following year. I would have liked to be a fly on that locker room wall!

Robmoz · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 08:00pm

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Originally posted by tharbert
I had a game about eight years ago where I think the kids got their coach tossed on purpose. Three different players dunked in about 5 seconds as we were standing in front of the table getting the coaches together. I think the coach knew something was up. I heard the entire team refused to play for him later that season and he was replaced. He came back the following year. I would have liked to be a fly on that locker room wall!

I thought this was an urban legend as I have heard this story before on a couple of occaisons. You must be famous for it by now!

Nevadaref · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 08, 2004, 04:48am

10-3-4 Penalty, 10.3.4 Situation C, page 73 technical foul penalty summary in the Rules Book, and pages 55 + 77 in the Simplified and Illustrated book detail the pregame dunk administration quite nicely.