Is this legal (falling out of bounds w/ ball) - Page 2

betweenthelines · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 13, 2004, 09:44am

Here is the NFHS ruling on the falling out of bounds. In this years case book it is there. 7.1.1 Situation D: A1 jumps from inbounds to retrive an errant pass near a boundry line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court. A1 lands out of bounds and (A) is the first to touch the ball after returning inbounds; (B) returns inbounds and immediatley dribbles the ball; or (C) picks up the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble.

Ruling:
Legal in both A and B. Illeagal in (c) as the toss of a ball to the court by A1 consitutes the start of a dribble, dribbiling a second time after picking up the ball is an illeagal dribble violation. (4-15-5; 4-15-6d; 4-35; 9-5)

Jurassic Referee · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Nov 13, 2004, 12:16pm

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JR,

So you are suggesting that the action of tossing the ball back in bounds is the start of a dribble?

Here is the 2002 7.1.1 Sit B (sorry, old test software)

7.1.1 SITUATION B: A1 blocks a pass near the end line. The ball falls to the floor inbounds, but A1, who is off balance, steps off the court. A1 returns inbounds, secures control of the ball and dribbles. Ruling: Legal. A1 did not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control of the ball when he/she did. This situation is similar to one in which A1 makes a try from under the basket and momentum carries A1 off the court. If the try is unsuccessful, A1 may come back onto the court and regain control since A1 did not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control of the ball when he/she did.

What if they had dribbled? OOB or Double Dribble?

The guiding principles are the red-highlghtd ones. The player was holding the ball in-bounds and then started to lose his balance. A1 now starts a legal dribble , by rule(R4-15-3). Then A1 losing his balance now and falling OOB becomes a legal interrupted dribble, also by rule(R4-15-5). A1 can now legally be OOB because of the red-highlighted principle in the case play above. A1 then immediately came back in-bounds, so R10-3-1(leaving the court for an unauthorized reason or delaying return) isn't applicable. Now the call depends on whether A1 had dribbled before starting this sequence. If he had, then he commits an illegal 2nd dribble as soon as he returns in-bounds and touches the ball, as per R9-5. If A1 hadn't dribbled before, then he could legally come back in-bounds and continue the dribble, or grab the ball and then hold or pass it.

Good stuff JR. Thanks for your help. This will settle a couple beer bets and I for one will enjoy every one of them!

Andy, I forgot this one. It's germane and should clinch it. When the player drops the ball to go OOB, rule 4-15-6(d) applies-- "During an interrupted dribble, an out-of-bounds violation does NOT apply on the player involved in the interrupted dribble".

Happy brown-poppin'!