In an effort to prevent this from going on for an eternity I'll be leaving.

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Say it ain't so! Sob!

Chuck,

While I agree with your position that this "act" in and of itself does not warrant a T (the fact of the matter is, if he is in this state of mind he is going to do something else that in my "judgement" will warrant a T very shortly), I have to respectfully disagree with your position that this is not an "act". As such, I can see why Dan and others might, in their judgement, see this act as T-worthy.

The word "stare" is a verb and as such, implies an action or act. When I was growing up I was told by my parents not to stare. By your definition, they were telling me to stop doing nothing. If a coach is staring at you, he is not doing nothing. Some could see it as showing you up, trying to intimidate, influence etc. If the coach didn't think it would serve a purpose, he wouldn't be "doing" it.

Again, I agree that I probably wouldn't T and I think your point is valid as to how one would explain this to an assignor b/c everything I have heard from those in my area is that in most cases they want more than just the referee knowing why the T was given.... in other words, it should be obvious to most others in the arena.

Just my two cents. Good Debate.

Any grammarians want to step in here? :) Your statement is just not true, Junkie. "Wait" is a verb. But if I say "I'll wait", I mean that I won't do anything for the moment.


That's exactly what they were telling you. They were saying "Avert your eyes. Don't just sit there with your eyes fixed. Move them. Stop doing nothing."

He may think that the official will be intimidated, influenced, etc., but he hasn't done anything to bring that about.

2 days and counting!!!!
 

and we still will never have everyone agree...great debate though, i enjoyed hearing everyones opinion!! I myself agree that a stare is not an act, but soon s/he will have to do something that merits a T and i won't hesitate

I would think that staring would not happen by itself (possibly it could - but I would not think so). And his staring is likely just another step closer to crossing the T-bone line. Some coaches like to do that - just push a little at a time. Never doing anything egregious but just pushing a little farther, and a little farther, and a little farther with questionable antics, seeing when you will blow-up for his last little push. And then he incredulously asks if you really assessed a technical foul because he stared at you? Staring is likely just another straw to see if he can break your back.

During the activity of the game, it would be easy to look away. Ignore the staring and it will likely go away. During a timeout, it would not be so easy to ignore. So I like Bob's response for this situation (although I would talk to my partner and have him cover my back), go talk to the coach. "Do you have a question?" "Is there something we need to talk about, Coach?" etc. If he doesn't answer and just continues to stare you might make some further, professional comment or tactfully request him to stop/return to the huddle. Turn and walk back to your timeout position. Now your partner should be watching for the extra stuff he might do as you walk away and your partner can assess a technical for those antics (bait him with professionalism). During a timeout he can be on the court and can spend that time staring at you, or at the cheerleaders, or whatever.

When a coach stares, he is definitely trying to aggravate you, intimidate you, push you. Do you respond? Ignoring him may push him to his next level/antic for trying to intimidate you.

I tend to smile and chuckle at people who obviously try to intimidate me. It is not a professional response but then the act of trying to intimidate is not professional either. Some day I hope to grow up. Maybe this year.

We had a preparatory officers meeting last evening for the upcoming High School season! Time for me to go do some running. :D

chuck,

before i posted, i looked up 'stare' in the dictionary and it states... function: verb. this means an action by my understanding but i would be happy to here the opinion from a grammarian. as i am not one i could be wrong :D And parents don't tell kids not to stare because they want them to stop doing nothing, it is because it is socially unacceptable in our culture to stare... stare = rude.

i am going to stop here, because you and I are going to end up arguing a point we already agree on... this is not in and of itself T-worthy! :D

seasons almost here!

You all are looking up the wrong word.

Sportsmanship - Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.

Help me understand how a coach is exhibiting sportsmanship when he stands on the court and stares at you during a time out.

It's also unsportsmanlike for the coach to yell out "You gotta call that Ref!!!" but I don't always give him/her a T. It's a judgement call. A staring coach is more comical to me than aggravating. I wouldn't give a T, but it wouldn't bother me if my partner did.

-good comment.

Chuck if staring is doing nothing, next time I go to the beach with my wife can I stare at some young woman and after I get busted answer--"What, I wasn't doing anything."

Okay, that's actually probably what I will answer but it's better not to get caught doing this nothing.

Wow, first JRut has a semi-haiku over on the football board, now Chuck is getting all philosophical (the degree will do that to ya, I guess) - what are we getting ourselves into?!!??!?

another 2 cents
 

Like a lot of other things we could mention, I see this as something that would really have to be taken to an extreme to justify the T. Staring by definition is an act, but one of a passive nature. (to gaze at steadily and intently) If that's all that there is to it, a stare not accompanied by gestures or mumbling, (G rated version: no good homer, make up calling peckerwood, visually impaired nitwit) where this stare takes place now becomes the key.
If he stands in his huddle and looks in my direction, I got nothing. If he walks across the court and puts his face six inches from mine and stares I whack him. For anything in between it's like the old live Jimmy Buffett album, "You Had to Be There," and I think each of us must draw his own line of how much is too much.

At beach or on court,
Staring is merely looking.
Not unsportsmanlike.

I totally agree
 

and would much rather be at the beach in that situation

"a coach who called a time-out and then walked about 15-feet on to the court and glared at an official for the entire time-out"

If you're saying that glaring in this manner is still showing good sportsmanship, then we'll have to agree to disagree. Wow.

In what manner? With his eyes open? What is the big deal about having somebody look at you?

Lots of things do not show good sportsmanship. But most of those things do not draw technical fouls.

I've said all I care to say about this topic. Looking at somebody is not worthy of a T. Looking intently at somebody is not worthy of a T. Unless accompanied by some other action or verbiage.

If somebody wants to look like an idiot by staring at me for 60 seconds, I am neither intimidated nor threatened by that.

I still agree with Dan, fwiw. And that's not just us Yankee fans sticking together either. :D