What would you do?

[tjchamp]

Coach has been complaining about non-calls most of the first half. Talks to me at half-tmie about a non-call on a loose ball (he felt a foul should have been called, I felt all contact was incidental).

Now second half, I'm lead, and no call on a rebound. He's at the other end of court and immediately complains, then a made basket. His girls start bringing the ball up the court and I notice him glaring at me the whole way up the court? Whack.

[ChuckElias]

I've said this before, but you can't whack a guy for looking at you. If you need to whack that guy, you do it when he's yelling, jumping, throwing the clipboard, etc. If you pass on that behavior, you have no business giving a T for "glaring". That's just my opinion, obviously, but I'm pretty convinced of it.

[cmathews]

I agree with Chuck...if you whack him for glaring, there aren't many who know what happened...if he is yelling everyone knows what is going on....

[zebraman]

tjchamp,

I'm with Chuck and cmathews. If you needed to "T" him, the time to do it was when he was complaining.

Now I did see a "good T" given once just for staring, but it was quite different than your scenario. The one I saw was a coach who called a time-out and then walked about 15-feet on to the court and glared at on official for the entire time-out. It was quite obvious to everyone that he was being a jerk and the T near the end of the time-out was well deserved. In fact, the athletic director apologized to the officials after the game and thanked them for not ejecting him too. :-)

Z

[JRutledge]

You gave him a T for what? How did you notice that he was watching you? Was there not a basketball game going on in front of you?

Dude, you have to lighten up.

Peace

[cloverdale]

in my young reffing career...there have been those times when I have done games that the coach is an ex-official...knows the rules. Now i have had him glare at me...hold his nose (favorite of mine) and verbally complain abouts his girls getting called...usally ignore it but then his girls on the bench start coughing whenever either ref goes by his bench...after warning for unsporting conduct..bang

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by cloverdale
in my young reffing career...there have been those times when I have done games that the coach is an ex-official...knows the rules. Now i have had him glare at me...hold his nose (favorite of mine) and verbally complain abouts his girls getting called...usally ignore it but then his girls on the bench start coughing whenever either ref goes by his bench...after warning for unsporting conduct..bang

Hold his nose so that everybody in the world can see it? Jmo, but that's an automatic T if I ever heard of one. No warning needed for that one either.

[tjchamp]

Thanks for the advice all! I thought I might have been quick, that's why I asked. I'll chalk it up to experience, and move on.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by zebraman
Now I did see a "good T" given once just for staring. The one I saw was a coach who called a time-out and then walked about 15-feet on to the court and glared at on official for the entire time-out.

But even in this case, the T is not for staring. It's for being on the floor inappropriately. And personally, I would hope that the T was not given until one of my partners tried to walk the coach back to the box.

If the coach wants to spend his precious 60 seconds (or 30, or 75, or whatever) looking at you, you cannot T him/her for that. If you want to do something, wink at him or blow a kiss or put on a big dexter-eating grin and stare back.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by cloverdale
in my young reffing career...there have been those times when I have done games that the coach is an ex-official...knows the rules. Now i have had him glare at me...hold his nose

As JR, said this is an easy T, especially if the coach is also an official. I realize in your sitch, he was an "ex"-official, but he still knows better. Whack 'im early and often.

[Grail]

I saw this T on TV several years back. It was called on the Temple coach (whose name I can't come with at this moment). I think I'd have ignored him. The announcers were harping during the entire timeout on how he was showing up the refs, so maybe he deserved it.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
If the coach wants to spend his precious 60 seconds (or 30, or 75, or whatever) looking at you, you cannot T him/her for that.

whyinthehellnot?

[Edited by Dan_ref on Sep 27th, 2004 at 11:35 AM]

[zebraman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan_ref
[B]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

whyinthehellnot?

That was Chuck who said that, not me.

Z

[zebraman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

But even in this case, the T is not for staring. It's for being on the floor inappropriately. And personally, I would hope that the T was not given until one of my partners tried to walk the coach back to the box.

If the coach wants to spend his precious 60 seconds (or 30, or 75, or whatever) looking at you, you cannot T him/her for that. If you want to do something, wink at him or blow a kiss or put on a big dexter-eating grin and stare back.

I completely disagree Chuck.

First of all, a coach (and the players) can be on the floor during a time-out so that isn't what the T was for.

Second of all, if you wink or blow him a kiss, you are just inciting him and becoming involved in his antics so that is much worse.

Trying to "walk him back to his huddle" once he's reached that point would most likely be pointless or throw gas on the fire.

If his whole purpose for the time-out is to stare at you and it's obvious to you and everyone in the gym, that is very unsportsmanlike.

Z

[Dan_ref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by zebraman
[B]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

That was Chuck who said that, not me.

Z

Yep, I fixed it.