Carrying the ball...for cryin' out loud!!

[Indy_Ref]

Anyone watch the ND @ Seton Hall game last night? I was astonished at all the palming of the ball that was going on!! (Granted, this was the first WHOLE game that I've actually sat down and watched this year.) Although both teams were doing it, the two SH guards should have put a darn HANDLE on it as they were doing it CONSTANTLY!! A few times it was so bad that you could actually see the WHOLE ball above the hand as the palm was pointing straight up!!!

I have called anywhere from 1 to 3 carrying violations each game this year. I inevitably hear, "What?!?! We haven't had that called on us all year!"

Has anyone else been calling many? Please comment because I'm interested in knowing!

[Edited by Indy_Ref on Jan 9th, 2001 at 08:31 AM]

Even the kids at the HS level are watching too much TV. I've called at least one in every hs varsity game I've done, both boys and girls. If the thumb goes past vertical it's a carry.

[kevin]

The palm doesn't have to be underneath the ball to call a carry. If the ball comes to rest in the hand for an extended period of time the hand may be facing up or down to constitute a carry.

[BigDave]

Watching Allen Iverson makes me go crazy! I understand that the NBA calls the carry/palming a little different, but the way he dribbles is ridiculous.

It is our responsibility to call this starting at the lowest level. If we do not, it only gets worse as the players move up.

[BktBallRef]

Our crew was calling it to the letter and had to back off. We were calling 8 to 10 per game. We were calling 3 or 4 per game last year. There's no question in my mind that they were legit but when no one is calling it per the book, you have to back off. Not that I like it but we've had to.

[glind]

Originally posted by BigDave

It is our responsibility to call this starting at the lowest level. If we do not, it only gets worse as the players move up. [/B]

Very true and I like it!

[AK ref SE]

We have Youth ball prior to the HS season! two things I try not to miss in this league for the kids is travelling and carrying. After about two games! If I called a travel or an illegal dribble(Carry). The coach would tell the kids(not me) to watch what they were doing! The reason I bring this up, a lot of the same kids play HS ball! I will try to catch the carrying in a HS games, but I know I do not call them all! We all would have to call it the same to make a difference, but we are all human and every game is different!!

AK ref SE

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Our crew was calling it to the letter and had to back off. We were calling 8 to 10 per game. We were calling 3 or 4 per game last year. There's no question in my mind that they were legit but when no one is calling it per the book, you have to back off. Not that I like it but we've had to.

Yeah, I found that earlier this season I was calling it
a lot then I backed off also. It's kinda tough to go
against the tide.

[mcdanrd]

I usually make a fool of myself when I post here but, in response to Kevin, How does the ball come to rest in the hand for an extended period if the palm is on top of the ball?

[Richard Ogg]

I call one or two per game -- we're told to catch them if it is used to beat the defense. If they are just coming down the court (no defense) its pretty much ignored.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by mcdanrd
I usually make a fool of myself when I post here but, in response to Kevin, How does the ball come to rest in the hand for an extended period if the palm is on top of the ball?

No, it's certainly not a foolish question and you're not the first to ask it. Here's a couple of things to look for:

1- The little hesitation move when the dribbler goes up on his/her tiptoes - Many times the dribbler does a quick little wrist flick and carrys the ball.

2- The move where the ball spins in the dribblers hand - Usually a crossover is coming but the dribble has actually ceased. It's a double dribble but carrying/palming will do just as well.

Both are hesitation moves that are actually illegal.

[ilya]

yesterday in that game (seton hall vs ND), do you think there was acutally a charge on one of the last plays???
i didn't think so.
the player was still moving. one of his feet was in the air, and they still called a charge on ND!
oh and as for carries, iverson makes me wonder about the rules sometimes...

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Yeah, I found that earlier this season I was calling it
a lot then I backed off also. It's kinda tough to go
against the tide.

Tide? How about a tsunami!?! Now we call the crossover or any time the defender gets beat by the move. I also love it when a player does all this fancy dribbling, his opponent falls to the floor and the crowd goes crazy. That's a double dribble every time!

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ilya
yesterday in that game (seton hall vs ND), do you think there was acutally a charge on one of the last plays???
i didn't think so.
the player was still moving. one of his feet was in the air, and they still called a charge on ND!
oh and as for carries, iverson makes me wonder about the rules sometimes...

Didn't see the play, so I can't comment directly, Ilya, but the facts that the player was still moving and had one foot in the air do not preclude a "charge" call. As long as "initial guarding position" is obtained (both feet on floor, facing opponent), the defense can then move to maintain this position, or turn to absorb the shock of contact, etc.

[Brian Watson]

Ilya, that was a great call.

They had one camera angle that split the players, the guard clearly used his free arm to "create" some space with a push. The defender might have over glorified it, but, he had position and it still was a good call in my opionion.