Quirk in NF timeout rule?

[lrpalmer3]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Yep.

Under ncaa we do not shot bonus ft's when the foul is by the team in control. Team control begins on the throw-in when the ball's at the disposal- can't shoot bonus ft's. If the throw-in ended on the tip, you could have a period of time where there is NO team control (and could shoot bonus ft's) after the ball is released on the throw-in and before the ball is controlled on the court (once again could not shoot bonus ft's). That is how the rule was read when this change was made 2 yrs ago. Last year the rule was re-worded and eliminated this case by saying the throw-in ends on a player controlling the inbounds pass. Meaning there's team control even on the tip and you don't shoot ft's on the throw-in until there's player control.

Kinda confusng...get it?

(BTW, when I say shooting ft's I mean shooting ft's on what amounts to "offensive fouls" in the above example.)

Very clear actually. Thanks.

[Tee]

Could you please explain under NFHS- at what point after a made basket can the defensive team be granted a time out?

Ball drops out of the basket-

Offensive player grabs ball and heads for the baseline-

Offensive player is set up to throw ball inbounds-

I have always used the "at the disposal of the thrower" to mean a reasonable amount of time to recover the ball- at that point I begin my count. I guess if I'm counting that means no timeout?

Sometimes the thrower chooses not to pick up the ball, hoping I will delay my count until he has the ball in his hand- can a timeout be granted to the defensive team then? I will be counting...

Another complication- the thrower throws the ball to me (as they do occasionally) does this affect the count? I see many officials begin the count at that point- thus effectivly allowing an extra second or so to the thrower.

[Jurassic Referee]

After a made basket(field goal or FT), either team can request a TO until the ball is at the disposal of the team throwing the ball in. "Disposal" just basically means that a player on the team scored against either grabs the ball, or is in a position to grab the ball if he/she wanted to- in the official's opinion. After the ball is at the disposal or in the hands of a player of the team throwing the ball in, you start your 5-second count, and then only that team can be granted a TO request.

If a player on the team with the throw-in tosses the ball to me, I think that it's a straight judgement call whether you start your count then, or start it after you toss the ball back to him. If you think that they are throwing the ball to you to gain an advantage- like maybe gaining some extra time to set up a throw-in play, then you can start your count on the first touch. As I said, that's the official's judgement imo. Personally, I've always been a little leary of starting that early count. I'm not smart enough to read the mind of the player tossing the ball to me, so I'll usually give them the benefit of the doubt- unless they're doing it in the last coupla seconds of a game in which they are ahead.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee


If a player on the team with the throw-in tosses the ball to me, I think that it's a straight judgement call whether you start your count then, or start it after you toss the ball back to him.

If a player on the team with the throw-in tosses the ball to me, I just move out of the way and start my visual count.

Man - you should see the reaction I get. The coach starts yelling at the player to get the ball and the player runs after it like he just had his girlfriend tell him her parents were away for the weekend.

BTW - they usually do this only once, then they get the message.

[SamIAm]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

If a player on the team with the throw-in tosses the ball to me, I just move out of the way and start my visual count.

Man - you should see the reaction I get. The coach starts yelling at the player to get the ball and the player runs after it like he just had his girlfriend tell him her parents were away for the weekend.

BTW - they usually do this only once, then they get the message.

Mark, I like that, especially with highschool kids.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

If a player on the team with the throw-in tosses the ball to me, I just move out of the way and start my visual count.

Man - you should see the reaction I get. The coach starts yelling at the player to get the ball and the player runs after it like he just had his girlfriend tell him her parents were away for the weekend.

BTW - they usually do this only once, then they get the message.

Mark, maybe it's a regional thing, but why would a teenage boy run after a basketball when his gf just told him they have the run of her house for the weekend?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Mark, maybe it's a regional thing, but why would a teenage boy run after a basketball when his gf just told him they have the run of her house for the weekend?

[/B][/QUOTE]Why would ANY age boy run after a basketball, given that choice? I'm there.

I await the inevitable Viagara jokes.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Mark, maybe it's a regional thing, but why would a teenage boy run after a basketball when his gf just told him they have the run of her house for the weekend?

Why would ANY age boy run after a basketball, given that choice? I'm there.

There may be a few teen-age basketball players who wouldn't care much about the GIRLfriend's parents.

[lrpalmer3]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

Man - you should see the reaction I get. The coach starts yelling at the player to get the ball and the player runs after it like he just had his girlfriend tell him her parents were away for the weekend.

BTW - they usually do this only once, then they get the message.

That's what I'm talking about, let's bring the fun back to officiating. I can't wait to do this, but I may burst out in laughter.