Double Dribble call at end of Pistons-Pacers game

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by cford
I agree with you dhodges007 that these are some of the best officials in the world and not one of us could hold their jock-strap or the female version (help me out Juulie ).

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[dhodges007]

Originally posted by BBallinRick
I agree their the best at what they do, but that BLOWN call almost cost the Pistons the game. Lets say it did cost them the game, would you keep your same position. I know refs are human, and everyone makes mistakes, but when they make a mistake, anyone can point it out. Whats the difference between a ref making a mistake and a player/coach making a mistake? So because he is an offical, we can't critize him? It was obvious that it wasn't a double dribble (although from where he was he may not have seen it).

Are you serious? Are you an official? There is a difference between pointing out a mistake and blaming the official for BLOWING a call and "almost costing" the game. Did the official then turn around and play poor defense to allow them to score four "unanswered" points? It's ironic that you blame the official for the unanswered points, but not the five guys on the court who could 1. play defense and stop those points or 2. score at the other end. Give me a break!

Big deal if he missed a double dribble call either by calling one that shouldn't have been or missing one that should have been called. One violation doesn't change the course in a game. If that were the case, we would be looking at the TV monitors during a lot of out of bounds calls too. Or we could just look at replay after each whistle.

[Adam]

Originally posted by BBallinRick

I agree their the best at what they do, but that BLOWN call almost cost the Pistons the game. Lets say it did cost them the game, would you keep your same position. I know refs are human, and everyone makes mistakes, but when they make a mistake, anyone can point it out. Whats the difference between a ref making a mistake and a player/coach making a mistake? So because he is an offical, we can't critize him? It was obvious that it wasn't a double dribble (although from where he was he may not have seen it).

Are you saying that if Detroit had lost the game then they could have blamed it on one phantom dribbling violation? That's just flat out rediculous, frankly. Yes, if Detroit had lost the game, I'd maintain my position.

My position is that he may or may not have missed the call, but the call did not and could not have been blamed for the Pistons giving up points at the other end. Chances are good that the refs may have flubbed another close call the other direction during this game.

I repeat, Good Grief.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rainmaker

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I think that it's called a "jillstrap", or something like that. I know that some female hockey players wear something like that.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jimgolf

I kinda thought it was a great example of why players shouldn't try to get too fancy.

Just my opinion, but it's not the players' responsibility to dumb down their game for the poor old referees. We want the players to do cool, great things that are within the rules. It's the referees' responsibility to be in position to see the whole play and rule correctly.

almost every time it's done in an official game it's been called a double dribble.

And if the off-hand never contacted the ball, then "almost every time" it was called incorrectly. The fact that all the refs you've seen call it wrong does not imply that it should be called that way.

And while the NBA does have a different definition of traveling than the rest of the world

Maybe you should take a look at the NBA's traveling rules. They are almost identical to FED and NCAA rules. The difference is in the way the NBA allows the pivot foot to be established. But once the pivot is established, traveling is called exactly the same way.

Maybe the pros should stop watching the And 1 Tour dvds.

I hope there was supposed to be a smilie after that, b/c I seriously doubt that NBA officials have the time or inclination to watch that nonsense.

As always, just my opinion.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I think that it's called a "jillstrap", or something like that. I know that some female hockey players wear something like that.

I'd go with "sportsbra".

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by BBallinRick

I agree their the best at what they do, but that BLOWN call almost cost the Pistons the game. Lets say it did cost them the game, would you keep your same position. I know refs are human, and everyone makes mistakes, but when they make a mistake, anyone can point it out. Whats the difference between a ref making a mistake and a player/coach making a mistake? So because he is an offical, we can't critize him? It was obvious that it wasn't a double dribble (although from where he was he may not have seen it).

I have officiated for over 14 years and I work a lot of ball, from youth to adult rec leagues,middle school and high school, and some college games as well. I'd bet I've worked more than 5,000 games and I've seen ONE game where a call directly cost a team a game. My partner called a double T in a men's league where 3 Techs is a forfeit. A player was baiting another player with 8 seconds left and his team was down 9 and the other team was about to shoot free throws. The double T was earned by the player, but it did allow a team to win a game that they should have lost.

But even in this case, if the player would not have lost his cool, the game would not have been lost, so was it really our fault? Or did the player decide the game?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BBallinRick
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I agree their the best at what they do, but that BLOWN call almost cost the Pistons the game. Lets say it did cost them the game, would you keep your same position. I know refs are human, and everyone makes mistakes, but when they make a mistake, anyone can point it out. Whats the difference between a ref making a mistake and a player/coach making a mistake? So because he is an offical, we can't critize him? It was obvious that it wasn't a double dribble (although from where he was he may not have seen it).
[/B][/QUOTE]Lah, me. we just get rid if the NCAA fanboys, and now the NBA fanboys show up.

The official missed the call, Rick. The official did NOT want to miss the call. There is no doubt that this official will feel bad and will be completely pissed off at himself when he finds out that he missed the call. The official WILL also get sh*t for missing that call from the league. Every official in the world WILL miss a call every now and then. The better you are, the fewer calls that you actually do miss- but you WILL miss a call sometime. We all do. If God put on a striped shirt and a whistle, he'd probably miss a call every now and then too. Get the idea?

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I'd go with "sportsbra".

I've seen a few male officials that should be wearing one!

"It's the bro!"

"Manzier!"

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by blindzebra
"It's the bro!"

Nah, too ethnic.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I'd go with "sportsbra".

Why would you doubt me, Chuck? See the link. See the jillstrap.

http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/lacrosse/boxequip.htm

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Why would you doubt me, Chuck? See the link. See the jillstrap.

http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/lacrosse/boxequip.htm [/B][/QUOTE]

Yea, I can understand it with a lacrosse ball. Those things are wicked. I wouldn't think any one would need one for basketball.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Why would you doubt me, Chuck? See the link. See the jillstrap.

http://nonprofits.accesscomm.ca/lacrosse/boxequip.htm [/B]

Yea, I can understand it with a lacrosse ball. Those things are wicked. I wouldn't think any one would need one for basketball. [/B][/QUOTE]This all goes back to Cford's question to you above as to what the female equivalent of a jockstrap is. I thought that it was a "jillstrap", and when I googled it, bedamned if it wasn't. Think "thong" with a steel cup in front, Juulie. Come to think of it, if I had a daughter in high school, she'd be wearing one.

[Adam]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Yea, I can understand it with a lacrosse ball. Those things are wicked. I wouldn't think any one would need one for basketball. [/B]

This all goes back to Cford's question to you above as to what the female equivalent of a jockstrap is. I thought that it was a "jillstrap", and when I googled it, bedamned if it wasn't. Think "thong" with a steel cup in front, Juulie. Come to think of it, if I had a daughter in high school, she'd be wearing one. [/B][/QUOTE]

You mean she'd be wearing it to class, right JR? My daughter's only four, but it's not to early to start thinking ahead.

Do they come with padlocks?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

You mean she'd be wearing it to class, right JR? My daughter's only four, but it's not to early to start thinking ahead.

Do they come with padlocks?

You feel the need to protect her from guys like .... ?