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Sun Dec 17, 2000, 10:49pm
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Here's the sitch:
8 point game, 1 minute to go in the 4th. The team losing was already "trying to foul". Team in the lead has the ball for a backcourt endline throw-in, after a TO. B1 reaches through the boundary plane, and, actually, steps through the plane, and hug-fouls the thrower-in. Not sure if B1 knew the difference between live ball/dead ball, but clearly had intent to prevent the clock from starting. Ruling? 
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Sun Dec 17, 2000, 11:12pm
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My understanding is that this would be an intentional foul. Forget the warning for delay of game and go straight to free throws and award the ball back to a at the nearest spot to where the foul occurred.
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Sun Dec 17, 2000, 11:16pm
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This is a "T"......and nothing else. Go shoot the 2 shots, and then inbound the ball at half court.
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 12:05am
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Is it possible to have an intentional technical foul?
If so, how would it come about?
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 12:23am
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I don't think that 10.3.12c would apply to this question...in that case the clock is running after a made basket...in this case it is a stopped clock. That is why I think the "T" is the right call.
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 12:30am
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Dennis my friend i think you are wrong. If the player had just slapped the ball then you could give a 'T', however fouling a player who is holding a ball out of bounds is allways going to be at min. an intentional foul. You could eject the player is the foul was extremely bad.
A better question to the first post would be, after shooting the 2 free throws and returning to the baseline for a throw in should team 'A' be entitled to run the baseline.(assuming that we had a valid basket before the time out). keep smiling SH
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 01:53am
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It doesn't matter that the clock is stopped. It's a live ball foul, not a dead ball foul. That's the determining factor and for that reason, it's intentional foul. Tony Quote:
No, Team A would not be allowed to run the baseline. It's no different than any other time a foul would occur, after a basket but before the throw-in was complete. Tony
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 03:39am
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Tony,
My understanding is that this year the rule changed so that a team who has the right to run the baseline and is fouled doesn't lose that right. Maybe i am wrong. Play.. Team 'B' scores a valid goal. Team 'A' is allowed to run the baseline on the throw-in, Team 'B' fouls. Team 'A' maintains the right to run the baseline.(if the ball is to be taken out on the baseline.) I don't see how a intentional foul or a technical foul changes this.
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 08:49am
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Under FED rules, the team does lose the right to run the baseline.
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 09:28am
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If they touch the ball 1st, it is a T. If he touched the player 1st, it is an intentional foul. They get a spot throw in nearest the foul, baseline privs are gone.
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 05:04pm
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DENNIS IS RIGHT!
Sounds like another NBA-influenced play...maybe the player was trying to get a delay of game warning and see what the offense was gonna run!
Technically (pun intended), it should be a Tech. The twist on this sitch is the player doesn't just break the plane with a reach, he/she walks OOB to give the thrower-in a hug. NFHS 10-3-4: A player shall not: Leave the court for an unauthorized reason or delay returning after legally being out of bounds. Any contact that happens subsequent to the whistle, unless deemed flagrant or intentional, is incidental since the ball becomes dead with the T. However, if you choose to ALSO enforce the contact, then you have CAN ALSO have an intentional or flagrant dead ball foul = another T. NFHS 4-19-5c: A technical foul is...an intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead Summing up, for this sitch: * Cannot just have an intentional. * At a minimum, it is a T for leaving the floor (not breaking the plane which requires contact with the ball) * If you choose to enforce contact, you have 2 Ts on the same player. "see 'ya...wouldn't wanna be 'ya" btw - I would merely call the T. [Edited by pizanno on Dec 18th, 2000 at 04:09 PM]
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 05:31pm
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Actually, you and Dennis are both wrong...read Case Book 10.3.12A...it specifically says "B2 crosses the boundary plane and fouls A1"...the ruling: Intentional Foul...further, Case Book play 10.3.12C has A2 stepping out of bounds to foul the thrower and asks the question "Is the foul personal or technical? Ruling: This is an intentional personal foul"...hope this helps clear it all up!
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 06:10pm
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Rule 9-2-11 penalty 4 (the Intentional for fouling the thrower-inner) states that this is an I whether it occurs after a made basket or a regular throw-in.
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Mon Dec 18, 2000, 06:15pm
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Pizanno, how is the ball dead?
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