Definition of Basket?

Bart Tyson · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 11:39am

I want to preface this question; this is NOT a question I have, but rather a question from a goofy official whom I work with from time to time.

What is the basket, by definition? Do you consider the backboard as part of the basket? Hence, BI when ball on the rim and opponent hits the backboard. He wants to have the option to call BI. He says he will check out the responses tonight.

bob jenkins · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 11:44am

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
I want to preface this question; this is NOT a question I have, but rather a question from a goofy official whom I work with from time to time. What is the basket, by definition? Do you consider the backboard as part of the basket? Hence, BI when ball on the rim and opponent hits the backboard. He wants to have the option to call BI. He says he will check out the responses tonight.

Ring, flange, braces, net.

It was specifically defined in the "court and equipment" section a few years ago (3 or 4?) then removed without comment. You can derive it from one of the definitions, now.

Here's the NCAA definition:

Section 13. BasketsSize, Material
Art. 1. Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches inside
diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord, 12-mesh net, 15 to 18
inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.

Dan_ref · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 11:45am

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson

What is the basket, by definition?

NCAA 4.3

footlocker · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 11:46am

Rules 1.10.1

Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15-18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.

And why would he want to call this?

Jurassic Referee · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 11:47am

Bart, get someone to read FED rule 1-10-1 to your goofy friend. "Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring,...,it's flange and braces and a white-cord 12-mesh net...".

He wasn't serious,was he?

Bart Tyson · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 12:00pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Bart, get someone to read FED rule 1-10-1 to your goofy friend. "Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring,...,it's flange and braces and a white-cord 12-mesh net...".

He wasn't serious,was he?

Yes, he is serious and I did read the rule to him. He says he has been told and seen at camps (on the mens' side) that if the ball is about to go in and the def. slaps the backboard the they would rather count the basket instead of giving the T. He says at camps they only want the T if it is clear there was no attempt to block the shot. Since he will be checking this out this forum for the first time, if he has the guts to reply go easy on him. He is a good official and I do enjoy working with him.

Jurassic Referee · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 12:39pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
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He says he has been told and seen at camps (on the mens' side) that if the ball is about to go in and the def. slaps the backboard the they would rather count the basket instead of giving the T. He says at camps they only want the T if it is clear there was no attempt to block the shot. Since he will be checking this out this forum for the first time, if he has the guts to reply go easy on him. He is a good official and I do enjoy working with him.

[/B][/QUOTE]Mr. Goofy Friend Of Bart's, please read FED casebook 10.3.5. There is no rule that will allow you to call BI unless the player actually touches the ball or basket when the ball is on or within the basket, or if he actually touches the ball when it's in the cylinder. That's NFHS rule 9-11, and there's nothing anywhere in either the FED or NCAA rule books that would let you call BI outside of those parameters.

Please, MR. Goofy Friend Of Bart's, do NOT make this call. It will make your friend, Bart, also look like a goof by association.

ChuckElias · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Feb 26, 2004, 04:09pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
Here's the NCAA definition:

Section 13. BasketsSize, Material
Art. 1. Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches inside
diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord, 12-mesh net, 15 to 18
inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.

The funny thing is that the NCAA (through a memo, I think) has ruled that a second, smaller ring directly below the required single metal ring is legal. I wonder if that will make it into the rulebook next year. This was a test question this year.