Basketball

[JeffTheRef]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
The try ends when the ball hits the ground, so if it bounces in, it must be through the ring before the horn sounds or it is no good.

The try may end earlier, when it is certain that the try will be unsuccessful.

[Woodee]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Smitty
For another example of a non-try counting as a score, you can have A1 shoot at Team B's basket. If A1's throw goes through, it counts for B, but it is not a try. If it happens outside B's three point line, it is only two points because it was not a try. If the horn sounds after A releases but before the ball goes through, it is no good because it is not a try and the ball is dead when the horn sounds.

Coach,

Your rules knowledge is exceptional. Coach, have you advise your fellow coaches to join this site?


I would LOVE to officiate one of your games! You would be a definite challenge!! Keep up the good work.

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Smitty
For another example of a non-try counting as a score, you can have A1 shoot at Team B's basket. If A1's throw goes through, it counts for B, but it is not a try. If it happens outside B's three point line, it is only two points because it was not a try. If the horn sounds after A releases but before the ball goes through, it is no good because it is not a try and the ball is dead when the horn sounds.

...and to add to this interesting scenario...if A1 shoots at Team B's basket and gets fouled in his attempt...it is not a shooting foul...no FT's for an attempt at the opposing team's basket, unless the foul is deemed intentional, flagrant or Team A is in the bonus.

[cloverdale]

as to the original post...if the time expires before the ball pass through the ring, it does not count? if time has not expired and he has heaved the ball from outside the 3pt arc does this not count as 3 instead of 2 or have i really misread this post? i always thought that it would count if it left the shooters hand before time expired...

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by cloverdale
as to the original post...if the time expires before the ball pass through the ring, it does not count? if time has not expired and he has heaved the ball from outside the 3pt arc does this not count as 3 instead of 2 or have i really misread this post? i always thought that it would count if it left the shooters hand before time expired...

The try ended when it hit the floor,so if the ball bounces in BEFORE time expires you have a basket.This is a case of a live ball passing through the goal,it is not a try,so a 3 point try ends when the ball hits the floor,if the ball goes in on the bounce it counts 2.

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by cloverdale
as to the original post...if the time expires before the ball pass through the ring, it does not count? if time has not expired and he has heaved the ball from outside the 3pt arc does this not count as 3 instead of 2 or have i really misread this post? i always thought that it would count if it left the shooters hand before time expired...

Cloverdale
The ball is dead when the horn sounds to end a period, unless a try has been released. If a try has already left the hand, the ball remains live until the try ends. The try ends when it is clear it has no chance to go in the basket. Hitting the floor would be an example of this (although as others point out, the try really had no chance to go in even before it hit the floor once it got below the rim). If a ball goes through the ring when it is live, regardless of whether or not it is a try, the basket will count.

In the original case, the ball hit the floor and went through the ring before time expired. The basket should count. However, since the try ended when the ball hit the floor (or just before htat point in time ), it is not a three point filed goal, it would be a two poin goal (which you award anytime a "non-try" goes through the basket). If time had expired before the ball went through the ring, the basket would not have counted because the ball would already be dead.

[Hawks Coach]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Woodee

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Coach, have you advise your fellow coaches to join this site?

Recent experience with coaches joining this board being what it is, I will plead the 5th.

I would LOVE to officiate one of your games! You would be a definite challenge!! Keep up the good work.

I doubt I would be much of a challenge. Chances are I wouldn't have much to say to you. If an odd case came up where I knew the rule, it was interpreted wrong, and we could get it right, I might try to do so (if and only if it is to my benefit - others can learn the rules and use them to their advantage if they like!). In reality, this rarely happens, and even more rarely does it happen and you can sell the correcxt call to the official. So mostly I keep to trying to gfigure out how to stop the other guys and get good play out of my players - that is the true challenge!

[Nevadaref]

Whether or not the other official may overrule the call depends upon who is the Referee and who is/are the Umpire(s).

2-5-3 Referee's Duties During Game
...Decide whether a goal shall count if the officials disagree.