Player Error or Referee Error???

BK · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 13, 2004, 11:16pm

Tonight, I call a 1-1 foul from Lead. I go out to report, my partner is in place and I turn around to see the FT. He already has things ready to go and he bounces the ball to the shooter. I look into the lane as the ball is going up, and see a member of the shooting team in the lowest spot.

I know that it was my parnter's responsibility to get the bottom two spots in the lane filled with opponenets of the shooter, but when he fails to do that, what is the procedure? Is it still a violation? I know it's not correctable...I called a lane violation. Eeek!

BktBallRef · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 13, 2004, 11:24pm

Double violation.

AP arrow.

BK · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 12:13am

Well, add that to the list of rules that need to be changed...how can the rules penalize B for being where they are supposed to be...A2 KNOWS she can't be on the block when her teammate is the shooter.

PAULK1 · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 12:24am

The reason its a double violation is thar as you say A2 KNOWS she can't be in the block if her teammate is the shooter and B is supposed to KNOW they are required to fill the block.

BktBallRef · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 12:43am

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Originally posted by BK
Well, add that to the list of rules that need to be changed...how can the rules penalize B for being where they are supposed to be...A2 KNOWS she can't be on the block when her teammate is the shooter.

So I guess you didn't call a double violation?

BK · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 07:48am

See original post...last sentence!

This will be a topic of discussion at our next meeting!!!

nine01c · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 10:25am

If your partner had properly waited for you to get into your position (opposite table), you would have had a look at the lanes (even though it's HIS responsibility) and probably noticed the wrong player before the administration. Sloppiness lead to the double lane violation. Even if everyone was lined up properly, he did not give you a chance to be in proper position had the foul shot missed and become live (and you never got to count your 10 seconds!). I'd say it's time for a little chat, first question is: "Do you have a date, or something?" Slow down, what's the big rush?

BktBallRef · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 11:58am

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Originally posted by BK
See original post...last sentence!

This will be a topic of discussion at our next meeting!!!

Oooooo! Touchy, aren't we?

It's just discussion, partner.

Note the

and the

that says how fun-lovin' I am.

rocky50 · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 12:10pm

If it's a double violation do you go to the possession arrow to continue the game?

davidw · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Jan 14, 2004, 12:28pm

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Originally posted by rocky50
If it's a double violation do you go to the possession arrow to continue the game?

Bktballref answered that: "Double violation. AP arrow."

BK · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 15, 2004, 01:35am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Quote:

Originally posted by BK
See original post...last sentence!

This will be a topic of discussion at our next meeting!!!

Oooooo! Touchy, aren't we?

It's just discussion, partner.

Note the and the that says how fun-lovin' I am.

Didn't mean it as a punt in your direction...

Sorry it came across that way BBR...thanks for the ruling...even though tis stinky!!! Seems like a copout for the rules committee to say that NOBOBY has the responsibility to be there, but that they are REQUIRED to be there. Seems like an area that we are babysitting instead of officiating. If the non-shooting team is dumb enough to not fill the space, maybe the D should be allowed in that spot!!!

CLAY · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 15, 2004, 12:34pm

the key word here is "she" If you are not on your toes when doing a girls game you will get burnt. After doing many girls games, I now realize why the girls season begins before the boys. They use the girls to get us warmed up and more knowledgeable of the rules.

Sorry Rainmaker do not take this personally.

BktBallRef · #13 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 15, 2004, 12:50pm

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Originally posted by BK
Seems like an area that we are babysitting instead of officiating.

Can you say "shirt tails?" Talk about babysitting!

It should be like football, where the coach gets a flag if we find a player who isn't properly equipped.

Hawks Coach · #14 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 15, 2004, 04:47pm

Made shot, since partner had a part in this error, you can choose to see it after the shot was made and then there is no double violation, the thought being that the error did not impact the play in any way, so why call it.

If the shot is missed, you have to call a double violation since it does impact the play, so the whistle goes as the ball comes off the rim if you want to follow this logic.

Dan_ref · #15 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 15, 2004, 05:46pm

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Made shot, since partner had a part in this error, you can choose to see it after the shot was made and then there is no double violation, the thought being that the error did not impact the play in any way, so why call it.

If the shot is missed, you have to call a double violation since it does impact the play, so the whistle goes as the ball comes off the rim if you want to follow this logic.

This is the correct answer.