touching ball after save

[rcwilco]

The other night I had a play and learned something new. The ball is going out of bounds and player A1 near the endline jumps out and while in the air hits the ball back on to the court making a great save. She lands OOB and then hustles back on to the court where she is the first to touch and recover the ball. My partner (his primary and a very experienced ref) calls a violation. The coach is an experienced ref and agrees. This was new to me and I cannot find it in the rules or case book. If anyone knows the reference I would like it for my own knowledge.

[ref18]

Isn't it only a violation, if the player who made the save hasn't yet attained inbounds status, i.e. he/she last touched out of bounds. Because if she was inbounds when she touched the ball, then there shouldn't be any violation called.

[Mregor]

Someone is watching too much football (as if that was possible ). As long as they establish position on the court, they can legally touch the ball. I just had something similiar a week ago where the player saved it and bounced it off a defender standing near the line and it bounced back at him. He had jumped from OOB and the ball hit him while he was in the air. He landed in-bounds and questioned my whistle. I told him his position when the ball hit him was OOB. He didn't understand right away but I explained the "you are where you were until you get somewhere else" rule and compared it to his position when he just made the save. He understood and we played on.

Mregor

[rcwilco]

Thanks so far. I understand that A1 would need to establish her feet inbounds and that is what happended. She while in the air with in bounds status, hits the ball back on to the court. The ball never tounches OOB. A1 lands OOB then runs back on to the court. She takes two or three steps on the court, then grabs the ball and dribbles off. They told me that a player cannot leave the court, be the last player to touch, return and then be the first player to touch again. Maybe they were not correct after all??????

[just another ref]

Legal play. Check out case book 7.1.1 Situation B

[Bart Tyson]

Your very experienced Ref. got this one wrong. If she did not have control of the ball before she went oob, then the play you described is legal.

[nine01c]

I think they are confusing this with a violation by a dribbler (who has player control), Rule 9-3. You also learned that night that some VERY EXPERIENCED refs do not study and know the rules.

[RookieDude]

originally posted by rcwilco
I understand that A1 would need to establish her feet

Actually only needs to establish one foot on the court.

RD

[Bart Tyson]

Originally posted by RookieDude

Actually only needs to establish one foot on the court.

RD

Way to go RookieDude, I didn't catch that one. One foot on court and one foot in air does establish yourself on the court.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson

Way to go RookieDude, I didn't catch that one. One foot on court and one foot in air does establish yourself on the court.

Taking it even further...

A1 only needs to touch inbounds and not touch OOB. It could be a foot, a knee, a butt, etc.

[JeffTheRef]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Taking it even further...

A1 only needs to touch inbounds and not touch OOB. It could be a foot, a knee, a butt, etc.

A one hand handstand. Oh yes. I want to be there when this happens.

Once upon a time a certain Sicilian child who shall remain nameless, and athletic guy, went four rows up into the stands after a loose ball. The official (carelessly, it must be said) began to put the ball in play without him. Do any of you live near airports? You know, then, how the sky grows momentarily dark when a plan comes in over 'your' runway. That's how it was this night when the future state high jump champ go back onto the floor from the fourth row. Wow.

[Mike Burns]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Taking it even further...

A1 only needs to touch inbounds and not touch OOB. It could be a foot, a knee, a butt, etc. [/B]

I think it was John Madden that said, "One cheek equals two feet.".

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Mregor
Someone is watching too much football (as if that was possible ).

Actually, that's a myth too, at least under NFHS football rules.

There's no rule that says a player can't be the first player to touch a ball after coming from OOB. In fact, a football player does not even have to touch inbounds to be considered inbounds. If he's not touching OOB, he's inbounds. "You are where you were until you get where you're going" does not apply.

[Damian]

If the player saved the ball, then came in bounds, caught it, then started dribbling, could this have been a double dribble?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Damian
If the player saved the ball, then came in bounds, caught it, then started dribbling, could this have been a double dribble?

Yes. Saving the ball is considered the start of a dribble if no other player touches the ball and if the ball hits the floor. The player could return and continue dribbling but could not catch the ball and dribble again.