Dropping a "T" FOR your partner - Page 2

davidw · #16 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 28, 2003, 04:37pm

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Originally posted by BK
First time...Look right into the head coaches eyes and say, "Coach, are you gonna take care of that or do I need to?" I've used this line MANY times regarding bench personnel, assistants, and even players on the floor. I've never not had a coach take control. If they do it a second time, BANG!

BK,

I like your line. Gives one another strong alternative to instantly ringing up bench personnel--esp. if your judgement indicates the game will not be made better by immediately going to the big gun (T).

BktBallRef · #17 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 28, 2003, 04:58pm

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Originally posted by davidw

Quote:

Originally posted by BK
First time...Look right into the head coaches eyes and say, "Coach, are you gonna take care of that or do I need to?" I've used this line MANY times regarding bench personnel, assistants, and even players on the floor. I've never not had a coach take control. If they do it a second time, BANG!

BK,

I like your line. Gives one another strong alternative to instantly ringing up bench personnel--esp. if your judgement indicates the game will not be made better by immediately going to the big gun (T).

I can agree with BK if the asst. is simply sitting on the bench and being a little mouthy. But when "He was off the bench and onto the floor a couple of feet, ranting," you have to TCB. Use NCAA as an example. As much crap as D1 guys take from head coaches, you don't see asst. coaches do that.

JRutledge · #18 (**permalink**) Sun Dec 28, 2003, 05:29pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
I can agree with BK if the asst. is simply sitting on the bench and being a little mouthy. But when "He was off the bench and onto the floor a couple of feet, ranting," you have to TCB. Use NCAA as an example. As much crap as D1 guys take from head coaches, you don't see asst. coaches do that.

I agree with you assessment of the situation and having zero tolerance for Asst. Coaches complaining. But I also think you can say something and nip it in the bud as well. But I would have to be there to be for sure as to what to do. But I usually will say something even if an Asst. Coach is chirping while sitting down to the Head Coach. Because if they do get up and "rant and rave" about a call, it was not like they were not warned before I stick them. Also, the higher the level the game, the more the Head coaches understand that philosophy. It is usually the lower level coaches that are clueless about this attitude of what Asst. Coaches can and cannot do.

Peace

Damian · #19 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 30, 2003, 09:52am

Early in the season, I had a JV coach really animated. He was acting more like a football coach walking out onto the floor (not far) and really giving it to us. I gave him a "that's enough coach" line which usually works.

Next time down the court, my partner makes a no call on a shot which he thought his shooter was fouled. During transition I go to lead table side, my partner is trail opposite. We are both on the end away from his bench. When I look up, he is out about 10 feet onto the court by where the volleyball lines are yelling at my partner. My partner was looking at the play.

Even though I was 50 feet away, I did not hesitate and whacked him. When I approached the the table to record this, I had to tell him twice to get off of the court. He did, sat down, and behaved himself the rest of the game.

I have called several games for him since, and we joke about it. Yesterday, at a tournament, he walked in the gym between games and stood close to me. I gave him the big T sign and we laughed about it. He told me he had not been like that since. I told him he seemed a lot calmer since he switched to decaf.

Bart Tyson · #20 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 30, 2003, 11:07am

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I have called several games for him since, and we joke about it. Yesterday, at a tournament, he walked in the gym between games and stood close to me. I gave him the big T sign and we laughed about it. He told me he had not been like that since. I told him he seemed a lot calmer since he switched to decaf. [/B]

Damian, Its great to have a good rapport with the coach. However, I think, good or bad, past games are best forgotten. Coaches need the confidence of the official that the past is the past and forgotten. What if you have a bad situation in the future with this coach, he might feel uncomfortable in games thereafter. I've T'd coaches in the 1st half, and the coach came out to apoligize in the 2nd half, I immediately say, coach its aready forgotten. I do believe they go away feeling better.

NICK · #21 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 30, 2003, 04:17pm

"I have called several games for him since, and we joke about it. Yesterday, at a tournament, he walked in the gym between games and stood close to me. I gave him the big T sign and we laughed about it. He told me he had not been like that since. I told him he seemed a lot calmer since he switched to decaf."

Thats something I recommend not doing. Think about it. Without even being in a game with this coach, you have now committed yourself.

Mark Dexter · #22 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 31, 2003, 11:12am

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Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Situation:

In a game your partner is getting (justified or not) heat from a coach. Your aware - you hear it.

Would you ever call the "T" on a coach in this situation for something (s)he was directing to your partner? ...and partner was ignoring?

If partner takes it/ignores it, should you?

Would you make the call for what you observed or heard in this situation?

If the partner's actually ignoring it, let it go.

If your partner can't hear/see it - it's fair game for the other two to pick up, although this is rarer in basketball (had it quite a few times in football).

Ref Daddy · #23 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 31, 2003, 03:10pm

Your sounding as if calling a T has a primary area.

I disagree

SMEngmann · #24 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 31, 2003, 05:30pm

There is one story that I heard about from a varsity tournament finals game officiated by two other officials in my association. With team A leading by 2 and team B with the ball and 2.7 seconds left, an official whistles A1 for a foul. A1 turns around and says "That's f***ing bulls***." The calling official's partner comes in and sticks A1 with the T. In a fairly high profile preseason game, the partner established a standard, and ultimately the T cost team A the game.

Bart Tyson · #25 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 31, 2003, 05:45pm

Sounds real close to the game I was at last night. WSU mens. Score tied. Team B in the one&one bounus. A1 gets called for a def. foul, with 2.1 sec. left. As the official walks to the table to report, (back to A1), A1 takes his head band off and throws it about twenty feet down court. Partner gives the T. I didn't stick around to see WSU lose.

DJ · #26 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 03:34pm

I never give any T's, they are to be earned and they are such a rare commodity for me to give away that it is a priviledge to get one! It is always better to warn but only warn one time and if they don't give you a chance to warn then so be it! Just make sure it has been earned because they are too expensive for you , the players and coaches for you to give the away for free.