First high school game!

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Gentlemen, play semantics all you like. It is the referee's responsibility to either notify the teams or make sure that they are notoified at the 3 minute mark. It is not game management's responsibility. It is not the timer's responsibility. IT IS THE REFEREE'S RESPONSIBILITY.

OK, whatever you say.

Originally posted by BktBallRef

No one is saying that the referee must go to the dressing room and get the team but he must ensure that someone has notified them. If you don't follow through with this, then you CANNOT issue a technical foul to the offending team. Hopefully, even those who don't think it's their responsibility would get off their butt and find out what's going on before they whacked somebody.

Whacking someone for not being on the court is going to have several factors involved. As I stated, the players are on the court most of the time in my games than the officials. Why, because we are usually told last by the "people who do that thing." Again, I have worked all week long, I have only been the Referee once and not a single partner that was the Referee worried about this once. I am still waiting for anyone to worry about the "timeout" situation we talked about most of this year, you claimed was so important. I guess in your neck of the woods you worry about this, it appears with the rest of us we do not. If you say so, it is our responsibility, but it seems to get done without us telling anyone or worrying about it.

Peace

[Rich]

BktBall -

I can't imagine whacking somebody period over this. Eventually, I will be finding out why the team isn't on the floor -- the only way this would ever be a technical foul is if I got some kind of blasting (We'll come out when we're ready!) from a coach. Can't see that happening, at least not at the varsity level or above.

This is such a non-issue, really. I don't care if the teams are out at 3:00. I care once the clock expires. Cause once it does, we start the second half and it's hard to do that properly with one team.

Jeff's right, too -- around here we're usually the last ones on the floor as we're the last notified. I don't like being the last on the floor, but I'm not going to stand with an eye at the door to make sure the teams don't sneak onto the court without me.

I'm admittedly not a stickler when it comes to administrative issues. If the lineups aren't in the book at 10 minutes, I make sure they get put in at that point. Of course, being at the table at about 11:30 means we get things started even before we reach 10:00. If a player shows up late and isn't in the book when reporting, I get the player in the book without a technical if I can help it. If that's wrong, by rule, so be it, but running the game is more important than worrying about minutiae, in my opinion.

Speaking of, I have boys game this afternoon. Need to start polishing the shoes.

Rich

[BktBallRef]

Rich, while it's a non-issue for you and me, it's not a non-issue for the original poster in this thread. He had a question that required a correct answer. What would you tell him? "Ah, don't worry about it. Somebody will probably get'em."

[Edited by BktBallRef on Nov 29th, 2003 at 01:51 PM]

[Rich]

I think it does a poster no good to give him a black-and-white rules answer and then not discuss the intracacies involved. You and I both know what the rules say as do many of the other people that post here. To quote the rules and not put in any real-world context does a newer official a disservice.

Here's an example: Let's say a poster asks -- The R finds the book does not have the starters marked at the 9:30 mark. What do you do?

Do you tell him that it is an administrative technical foul or do you mention some preventive alternatives?

Rich

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
I think it does a poster no good to give him a black-and-white rules answer and then not discuss the intracacies involved. You and I both know what the rules say as do many of the other people that post here. To quote the rules and not put in any real-world context does a newer official a disservice.

Both Bob Jenkins and I gave him the rule and the real world answers. My comment was addressed to your remark that it was a non-issue. That simply isn't true when someone doesn't know how to handle it. Out of 100 games, this may happen once, so you must know what your responsibilities are and what needs to be done.

I'm done. Hope you had a good game.

[Back In The Saddle]

Thank you, everyone. Since this was my first HS game, I was unsure how this usually works. From the discussion, it sounds like usually it just does work, cause everybody's used to how it's supposed to go. From now on, as part of my half-time routine, I'll make sure I ask the timer to make sure both teams are notified at the 3:00 minute mark...and not lose any sleep over it

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Thank you, everyone. Since this was my first HS game, I was unsure how this usually works. From the discussion, it sounds like usually it just does work, cause everybody's used to how it's supposed to go. From now on, as part of my half-time routine, I'll make sure I ask the timer to make sure both teams are notified at the 3:00 minute mark...and not lose any sleep over it

You're exactly correct, BITS. "Let the teams and us know when we're at the 3 minute mark." Don't just assume it will be done.

[Rich]

Went to the table at halftime and asked the timer who was going to notify us and the teams. Looked at us with confusion, naturally. Finally agreed to do it himself.

We were notified and came out to an empty floor. One team arrived with less than a minute on the clock. Horn went and viviting coach asked me what he could do since he had a player being taped that was starting the second half. Just as I was telling him we would allow a substitute, the player came back. He thanked me for giving them a little extra time and we got the game going.

Anyone else see the 14-foot boxes laid down wrong?

Rich

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

I have an assistant coach with the responsibility to go check the clock a few minutes into the halftime and report the time back to me.

Only once did I have any issue with the three-minute rule. At an away game we had a terrible first half and had a lot to cover in the break. All of the coaches were involved and we never did check the clock. We came out to a clock showing less than a minute, and I didn't want to go straight from the talking to the playing, so I went to the officials, told them no one notified us at three minutes, and could they please reset the clock to 3:00, which they did. We shot around for a couple minutes, rallied back, and lost in OT.

[Pirate]

For what it's worth, when I was coaching varsity basketball back in the 90's, we were ready to play for the second half (as the visiting team) and the home team was late. They weren't there at the end of the 10 minute half-time, nor were they there for the minute that followed. I lobbied for a "T" and the referee, knowing that I knew the rule, started the second half with a "T". That is the one and ONLY time I have ever seen that occur. The only reason I think I got the call is that I was aware of the rule. So for you coaches that read these boards, learn the rules for your sake and ours.