IAABO Refresher Test #65

[Jeff the Ref]

A-1's try from behind the 3 point line is legally touched by A-2 who is in the 2-point area. Ball enters basket. Official awards two points. Is the official correct.

Answer key says NO.

What am I missing here?

[oc]

the official would be correct under FIBA rules but in NFHS he is wrong. 5-2-1

casebook 5-2-1.a

[oc]

Wait I am wrong. It was touched by A-2 not B-2. I am stumped as well.

casebook 5.2.1 situation c (d) score 2 points

[Jeff the Ref]

It was a mistake by IAABO. Should be YES!

[Camron Rust]

Does it really matter who touched a try in flight? I think not. If the try leaves the hands as a 3-pointer, it's 3 no matter who touches where along the way.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

NFHS 5.2.1 Situation C (item d)...

if touched by the offense and deflected from inside the three point line (two point area) then two points.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
NFHS 5.2.1 Situation C (item d)...

if touched by the offense and deflected from inside the three point line (two point area) then two points.

So, as I read this case that you've provided, it makes it a two if it is deflected. However, if it is merely touches without imparting a change of momentum, this case does not apply. Would you agree?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

So, as I read this case that you've provided, it makes it a two if it is deflected. However, if it is merely touches without imparting a change of momentum, this case does not apply. Would you agree?

No, I wouldn't agree.

The case says "touched" -- nothing about "changing momentum"

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

So, as I read this case that you've provided, it makes it a two if it is deflected. However, if it is merely touches without imparting a change of momentum, this case does not apply. Would you agree?

Not to bring physics into this debate, but any touch would, de facto, cause a change in momentum of the system - both that of the ball and the player.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

No, I wouldn't agree.

The case says "touched" -- nothing about "changing momentum"

It does say "touched AND deflected" (assuming that DTTB quoted what was in the case). A deflection is exactly that (momentum was in my head from the slide/roll discussion). It could certainly be read to say that if it is not deflected but only touched then the case's ruling may not apply.

We have a clear 3-point try that is touched. If it leaves the shooter's hand as a 3 point try, it continues to be a 3-point try until the try ends. If it is on the upward flight and A2 redirects a try, it's a new try from whereever A2 is located (either the original or this new try was not going to be successful. Either way, it will be 2 points or 0 points). If it merely brushes A2's single wild hair, I think the original try continues. Imagine Mugsy Boges (sp?) shooting over a screen set by Shawn Bradey.

I belive this case's purpose is to allow us to distingush between the original try and a subsequent try/tap. If the ball is touched inside the line by the offense, I think it is up to the referee's judegment depending on whether that touch made a difference.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
It does say "touched AND deflected" (assuming that DTTB quoted what was in the case).

The word "deflected" (or any variant thereof) is not in that case.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

The word "deflected" (or any variant thereof) is not in that case.

Very well then. I was going on what was posted. Since you say the actual case does only say touched, I'd have to agree with you.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

What I typed was not intended as a quote...

Here is the quote

5.2.1 Situation C:
A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The ball is legally touched by: ...(d) A2 who is in the two-point area. The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket. Ruling: ...In (d), score two points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred in the two-point area.

For example (mine) A1 is attempting the alley-oop or just a pass from the three-point area. A2 under or near the basket attempts to catch/dunk the ball but fails to control the pass having only touched (and likely deflected) the pass... score two.

If the official can say A2 didn't touch the throw, score 3. If A2 touched it and was within the two-point area, score 2.

Sorry for the confusion Cameron.

[EMBUAump]

Rule 4.40

Here is what you've got a throw for goal was ended and turned into a tap for goal both are try for goals. The throw for goal(Three point attempt) ended when the tap for goal started. So you would have a two point basket. The answer has been changed to Yes by IAABO.

[oc]

Originally posted by EMBUAump
Rule 4.40

Here is what you've got a throw for goal was ended and turned into a tap for goal both are try for goals. The throw for goal(Three point attempt) ended when the tap for goal started. So you would have a two point basket. The answer has been changed to Yes by IAABO.

Can you confirm that IAABO has officially changed their answer? How did you hear about this? I asked our interpreter about 65 and he gave a great answer defending the answer key. The key words being throw and try. The test uses the word try. A try is 3 points even if it is touched by A2. 5.2.l Situation C uses the word throw-so it is only worth 2 points when touched by A2. (no case play to defend the try-throw wording) So if IAABO has officially changed their answer I would like to know about it.