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Tonight's zone meeting brought up this situation. NCAA rules: A4 is standing in the front court, his pass is deflected by B4 into the backcourt. When does the 10 second count begin? When the ball touches the backcourt or when the ball is touched by a team A player in the backcourt?
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By rule the backcourt count starts when the ball gains backcourt status. How do 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9% of all officials do it? As soon as a player of Team A establishes player control of the ball in Team A's backcourt, the backcourt count starts.
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Because there is still team control . . . eh . . .
which leads to one of the other amazing circumstances that truly, and rightly, never gets called - at least by Fed rules, during a loose ball team control remains with the team that had control, so that, in theory, you can have a 3-second violation during a long loose ball episode . . . right? Same thing during an interrupted dribble.
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Jay [/B][/QUOTE] By rule the backcourt count starts when the ball gains backcourt status. How do 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9% of all officials do it? As soon as a player of Team A establishes player control of the ball in Team A's backcourt, the backcourt count starts. [/B][/QUOTE] True. |
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On a deflection into the backcourt, the offense is usually very quick to get to the ball (if they even get it!). It isn't left sitting in the backcourt for 10 seconds. And it would be very rare to have an organized press against the ball that prevented the offense from advancing it across half court before 10 seconds is up, regardless of when you start the count. So reality is it probably doesn't matter.
That said, NCAA or NFHS game, path of least resistance is not the right answer! Start the count when it is supposed to start, not when the coach/fans/players think it should start. |
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I can't speak for other officials, but for myself, I am looking at at least 2 or 3 other things and simply forget that there's supposed to be a count. Is the defense is going to try to get the ball for its own easy lay-up? If so, will there be contact in trying to gain possession? If it's a race to the ball, who is actually going to be the one to touch the ball first? If there's no race, is the offensive player going to grab it and kill the play immediately, or let it roll and milk the clock? (If s/he lets it roll, remember where the throw-in will be. . .)
Since at least one of the above will come into play on 99% of plays where the ball bounces into the backcourt, and since the 10-second count will come into play on exactly 0% of those plays, I honestly (for better or worse) simply forget the 10-second count. It's not an intentional thing, where I disregard the count; there's just other stuff going on that holds my attention.
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I am flabbergasted . . . now there's a fine word
at how true this count thing seems to be. I have been just doing like he do my whole . . . career, starting a count if the offense gets the ball. I am reluctant to even bring this up, lest it confuse the multitudes.
By the way, it is a brilliant play, is it not, when the offense let's the defense touch the ball - to take off the backcourt - then contests for the ball. Shmart. Like the Patriots. Go Pats. |
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Well said Chuck
Sounds like a reasonable approach - you are paying most attention to the most important aspects of the play. That said, if the ball was loose and you thought of it, you could also start a count. If you don't, it is not likely to have any impact on the play, especially not compared with everything else that you need to be thinking about at that moment.
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