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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 01:13am
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Similar to this game winning basket, could you clip the replay of the 3pt shot by Iowa with 4.5 seconds left? The replay from the camera in front of the play looking back is the best view.
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 01:18am
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Correct/Incorrect call? If it were a ball being saved from going OOB, and the same call made, obviously would have been incorrect.
Not true. There is more to this play than you are currently thinking. I believe that this video will lead to some excellent discussion.
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 01:25am
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I vote for flagrant 1. I see an airborne player trying desperately to grab anything because he got faked out and is now falling. He happens to grab his opponent around the neck, but there is no intent to injure.

Nice video clip, Rut!
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 01:34am
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They unblocked this video

I think this is a great play for discussion. I am OK with the shooting foul and nothing more. I do not think he stops anything this player is trying to do, so I am good with just calling the jersey grab. He does not take away a clear advantage, and the player makes an easy dunk and is not put in any danger.

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I’m so pleased that this video was unblocked. This is a clear F1 in NCAAM and an intentional personal foul in NFHS.
There is absolutely no way that the basket can be counted. The jersey grab from behind begins when the offensive player isn’t even touching the ball. He has pushed a dribble far out in front of him and chasing after it. Clearly has not started the act of shooting when the foul takes place.
One can play the video and stop and start it in order to see this.
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 03:24am
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Kansas vs St. John’s
1:05 left in the game.
It looks like the Kansas player under the basket has a foot out of bounds while saving the ball and quickly passing it to his teammate for a score, but he may have re-established by getting one foot back in and having nothing out. This would be a nice clip to illustrate our common teaching principle (something in and nothing out).

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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 03:45am
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Ending sequence of Kansas vs St. John’s.
Kansas makes 2FTs with 14.1 seconds left to tie the game at 65.
At this point Kansas has only committed two team fouls in the entire seconds half. Therefore, Kansas elects to employ a strategy of fouling four times in the backcourt to waste time. Following the third foul, the officials correctly administer the throw-in at the 28 foot mark on the sideline in the backcourt. However, after the fourth foul in a row (team’s sixth of the half), the administering official may have gotten confused as he conducts the throw-in from the 38-foot mark which indicates the end of the NCAAM’s coaching box. This puts St. John’s ten feet closer to their basket with only 3.9 seconds remaining. Of course, St. John’s inbounds near the jump circle in the back court and their player is able to drive to the basket for a game-winning lay-up which he releases with 0.4 on the clock.
Lesson = officials need to be precise with the throw-in spots near the end of quarters/halves.
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 05:18am
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There are no magic throw-in spots in the back court for NCAA Men's basketball. Was the 6th team foul committed near the 28-ft line or near the 38 ft line?

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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 06:27am
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Clarification ...

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The much debated travel happens in which the potential jumpshooter starts a dribble after being airborne. The official chooses to call the violation before he touches the ball again as there is no other player nearby.
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Could be the start of a very legal, but very ugly, very bad bounce pass.
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This is not a violation, or was clarified as not a violation anymore. The player must touch the ball first.
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2025-26 NFHS Rules Changes, Editorial Revisions and Other Changes


4.15 Comment Dribble –Legal And Illegal Movement
4.15 COMMENT: It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble. A player is not dribbling while slapping the ball during a jump, when a pass rebounds from a player's hand, when a player fumbles, or when a player bats a rebound or pass away from other players who are attempting to get it. The player is not in control under these conditions. It is a dribble when a player is in control of the ball, bats, throws, or pushes the ball to the floor, and is the first to touch the ball after it returns from the floor. It is not dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once.

Rationale: The current rules do not provide a clear, singular definition of what constitutes a dribble, leading to inconsistent enforcement of traveling violations. By rule, a traveling violation at the start of a dribble does not occur until a dribble is completed by touching the ball after it returns from the floor. Officials have sometimes incorrectly ruled a traveling violation as soon as the ball is released to begin a dribble while the pivot foot is off the floor. Including this clarification in the casebook will improve officials’ understanding and promote consistent application of the traveling rule
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 07:39am
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Not true. There is more to this play than you are currently thinking. I believe that this video will lead to some excellent discussion.
I don't see it as a dribble, either. I think it was a kicked call. :shrug:
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 01:44pm
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Ending sequence of Kansas vs St. John’s.
Kansas makes 2FTs with 14.1 seconds left to tie the game at 65.
At this point Kansas has only committed two team fouls in the entire seconds half. Therefore, Kansas elects to employ a strategy of fouling four times in the backcourt to waste time. Following the third foul, the officials correctly administer the throw-in at the 28 foot mark on the sideline in the backcourt. However, after the fourth foul in a row (team’s sixth of the half), the administering official may have gotten confused as he conducts the throw-in from the 38-foot mark which indicates the end of the NCAAM’s coaching box. This puts St. John’s ten feet closer to their basket with only 3.9 seconds remaining. Of course, St. John’s inbounds near the jump circle in the back court and their player is able to drive to the basket for a game-winning lay-up which he releases with 0.4 on the clock.
Lesson = officials need to be precise with the throw-in spots near the end of quarters/halves.
Backcourt stoppages are treated just like they were before in NCAA Men's rules. Different than the NF Rules here.

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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 04:42pm
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There are no magic throw-in spots in the back court for NCAA Men's basketball. Was the 6th team foul committed near the 28-ft line or near the 38 ft line?

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I did not know that. I thought that the NFHS followed what college was doing in adopting the eight spots over a two year period.
Both the fifth and sixth team fouls occurred closer to the 38-foot mark than the 28-foot mark.
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Old Mon Mar 23, 2026, 04:52pm
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I don't see it as a dribble, either. I think it was a kicked call. :shrug:
If the player merely bats the ball to prevent it from entering the backcourt, then this is a legal play. However, if he catches the ball in one hand and deliberately throws it to the floor in the frontcourt, then this is the start of a dribble and the player has control of the ball. During a dribble a player is not permitted to step out of bounds or into the backcourt, even while he is not in contact with the ball. That is what we must determine. Clearly the official working the contest deemed this to be a catch and deliberate throw.

Also, I do not believe that this could qualify as an interrupted dribble as that involves the ball temporarily getting away from the dribbler by accident. This player put the ball exactly where he wanted.
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Old Tue Mar 24, 2026, 06:05am
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But, NFHS case 7.1.1D seems to be similar to this play, except OOB instead of BC, and it's allowed. (no time to try to find an NCAA reference right now).
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Old Tue Mar 24, 2026, 10:33am
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Eureka!!!!! I found it. - Flagrant 1 called (similar to other game)

It would have been nice if you guys told me the time of the game this happened. I had to so some research. LOL!!!!



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Old Tue Mar 24, 2026, 10:41am
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Out of bounds play or not?

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Kansas vs St. John’s
1:05 left in the game.
It looks like the Kansas player under the basket has a foot out of bounds while saving the ball and quickly passing it to his teammate for a score, but he may have re-established by getting one foot back in and having nothing out. This would be a nice clip to illustrate our common teaching principle (something in and nothing out).


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