Throw-in Spot

[bob jenkins]

In-bounder A1’s pass is heading toward the sideline. A2 attempts to save the ball from going out of bounds by batting the ball with their left foot on the boundary line and their right foot up in the air. The official correctly rules a violation by A2. From what designated spot is Team B awarded the ball for a throw-in?

a) The original throw-in spot.
b) Where A2 touched the ball

NCAAW and Fed answers, please (and, sure -- NCAAM). This is from a recent NCAAW quiz, and maybe I've been doing it wrong all this time.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In-bounder A1’s pass is heading toward the sideline. A2 attempts to save the ball from going out of bounds by batting the ball with their left foot on the boundary line and their right foot up in the air. The official correctly rules a violation by A2. From what designated spot is Team B awarded the ball for a throw-in?

NFHS: Where A2 touched the ball.

In ancient times, this may have once been considered a throwin violation and go back to the original spot.

In fact, even if it was B1 that touched the ball and boundary in this manner, it might have still been considered a throwin violation by Team A, with Team B getting the ball back at the original throwin spot.

Why? For not throwing the ball directly onto the court.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Am I correct about these ancient times interpretations?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In ancient times, this may have once been considered a throwin violation and go back to the original spot. In fact, even if it was B1 that touched the ball and boundary in this manner, it might have still been considered a throwin violation by Team A, with Team B getting the ball back at the original throwin spot.

I'd be hard pressed to find an official who knew this odd ancient time interpretation and called it that way.

The only reason some of us knew about it was if we researched why we got the interpretation wrong on a refresher exam.

If anybody ever called it that way, and it went against the visiting team in a close game, the visiting coach would probably find himself sitting by himself on a very cold bus in the very cold parking lot.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In-bounder A1’s pass is heading toward the sideline. A2 attempts to save the ball from going out of bounds by batting the ball with their left foot on the boundary line and their right foot up in the air. The official correctly rules a violation by A2. From what designated spot is Team B awarded the ball for a throw-in?

a) The original throw-in spot.
b) Where A2 touched the ball

NCAAW and Fed answers, please (and, sure -- NCAAM). This is from a recent NCAAW quiz, and maybe I've been doing it wrong all this time.

This is an NFHS only answer.
There is a bit of ambiguity because the action could fall under two different rules: 9-2-11 or 9-3-2.

We have to decide what it means for a teammate to be out of bounds during a designated-spot throw-in as in 9-2-11. Does the action described above by A2 meet that definition? If so, then this would be a throw-in violation and the ensuing throw-in goes to the one of the 8 “magic” spots that is nearest to the original throw-in location (note: the original throw-in could be from one of these 8 spots and in such a case that would be the spot for the opponent’s throw.)

If we don’t believe that this throw-in provision was meant to cover this action, but rather only for a player who purposely goes out of bounds during a designated-spot throw-in, then we have a standard out of bounds violation (9-2-3) and the ensuing throw-in is from where A2 touched the ball.

My belief is that 9-2-3: “a player shall not be out of bounds when a player touches or is touched by the ball after it has been released on a throw-in pass” is more specific and covers the action described better. So my answer is b.

[BillyMac]

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

In ancient times, this may have once been considered a throwin violation and go back to the original spot. In fact, even if it was B1 that touched the ball and boundary in this manner, it might have still been considered a throwin violation by Team A, with Team B getting the ball back at the original throwin spot. Why? For not throwing the ball directly onto the court.

I'm wondering if therule wording in red below was added at the same time as when the case play intepretations went away?

9-2-2 Throw-In Provisions: The ball shall be passed by the thrower directly into the court from out-of-bounds so it touches or is touched by another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm wondering if the wording in red below was added when the case play intepretations went away?

According to the 2007-08 NFHS basketball rules changes, a clarification was made to the definition of when a throw-in ends. The rule was modified to state: The throw-in ends when the passed ball touches, or is legally touched by, another player who is either inbounds or out of bounds.

This addition of “inbounds or out of bounds” was specifically noted as an editorial clarification in the 2007-08 rules changes.Prior to that change, the language did not explicitly include “inbounds or out of bounds,” which could create ambiguity about whether a player standing out of bounds could legally end a throw-in by touching the ball.

The 2007-08 committee clarified this wording so that if a player touches a throw-in pass while out of bounds, it still ends the throw-in, preventing confusion, especially during alternating-possession situations.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In-bounder A1’s pass is heading toward the sideline. A2 attempts to save the ball from going out of bounds by batting the ball with their left foot on the boundary line and their right foot up in the air. The official correctly rules a violation by A2. From what designated spot is Team B awarded the ball for a throw-in?

a) The original throw-in spot.
b) Where A2 touched the ball

NCAAW and Fed answers, please (and, sure -- NCAAM). This is from a recent NCAAW quiz, and maybe I've been doing it wrong all this time.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS: Where A2 touched the ball.

In ancient times, this may have once been considered a throwin violation and go back to the original spot.

In fact, even if it was B1 that touched the ball and boundary in this manner, it might have still been considered a throwin violation by Team A, with Team B getting the ball back at the original throwin spot.

Why? For not throwing the ball directly onto the court.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Am I correct about these ancient times interpretations?

A few years back the NFHS changed this Situation from a Throw-in Violation to an Out-of-Bounds Violation. When the NFHS changed it to an OOB Violation it was changing the Rule back to what it had been for decades and decades before it changed it from an OOB Violation to a Throw-in Violation.

Per NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's Rules: The Situation described in the NCAA Women's Exam should be an Out-of-Bounds Violation.

Back to you Bob!

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Finally got to my books tonight, in the locker room. AR 9-12 is exactly on point. OOB violation. The "correct" answer for the quiz was incorrect.

A.R. 9–12. On an end line throw-in by Team A in Team A’s backcourt, A1
makes a long pass toward the sideline at the division line and the ball (1) touches
no one before it hits the scorer’s table or (2) is caught by A2 who is standing on
the out-of-bounds line�
RULING: (1) Throw-in violation by A1 for failing to pass the ball
directly into the playing court so that after it crosses the boundary
line, it touches or is legally touched by an inbounds player or touched
by a player, who is on the playing court. Resume play with a throw-in
to Team B at the same spot as A1’s previous throw-in.
(2) Out-of-bounds violation by A2. Resume play with a throw-in to
Team B at the spot in which A2 caused the ball to be out of bounds

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Finally got to my books tonight, in the locker room. AR 9-12 is exactly on point. OOB violation. The "correct" answer for the quiz was incorrect.

A.R. 9–12. On an end line throw-in by Team A in Team A’s backcourt, A1
makes a long pass toward the sideline at the division line and the ball (1) touches
no one before it hits the scorer’s table or (2) is caught by A2 who is standing on
the out-of-bounds line�
RULING: (1) Throw-in violation by A1 for failing to pass the ball
directly into the playing court so that after it crosses the boundary
line, it touches or is legally touched by an inbounds player or touched
by a player, who is on the playing court. Resume play with a throw-in
to Team B at the same spot as A1’s previous throw-in.
(2) Out-of-bounds violation by A2. Resume play with a throw-in to
Team B at the spot in which A2 caused the ball to be out of bounds

Bob:

What was the "correct" answer?

MTD, Sr.

P.S.: You're welcome, .