Held ball: inbound locations?

[bucky]

I'm thinking obvious answer....maybe just looking for confirmation:

Case 1: In Team A's FC, A1 and B3 are involved in a held ball, with A1 outside the 3-point arc and B3 inside the 3-point arc. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

Case 2: A4 and B2 are involved with a held ball, with both players straddling the division line. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bucky

I'm thinking obvious answer....maybe just looking for confirmation:

Case 1: In Team A's FC, A1 and B3 are involved in a held ball, with A1 outside the arc and B3 inside the arc. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

Case 2: A4 and B2 are involved with a held ball, with both players straddling the division line. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

1. Unclear. The NFHS did not provide any guidance on how to handle fouls and held ball situations when one player is inside the 3pt arc and the involved opponent is outside or vice-versa.

2. Both players have backcourt status, therefore I would award either team the ball at the 28 foot line in their backcourt based upon who has the arrow.

[JRutledge]

Don't take this the wrong way, but you have too much time on your hands.

The NF has never been that specific, so pick the best spot. Until they give guidance, I would do the exact same I did when we debated had other violations with the rocket ship, we just put the ball where we thought is should go. Then we moved on.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bucky

I'm thinking obvious answer....maybe just looking for confirmation:

Case 1: In Team A's FC, A1 and B3 are involved in a held ball, with A1 outside the arc and B3 inside the arc. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

Case 2: A4 and B2 are involved with a held ball, with both players straddling the division line. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

BillyMac: I do love “Jump Ball” multiple questions! Case 2 is why we need to go back to using a Jump Ball instead of the AP Arrow.

NOTE (1.0): For Case 1 it does not matter if: i) there is no Team Control of the Ball by both Teams just prior to the Held Ball or ii) there is Team Control of the Ball by one of the Teams just prior to the Held Ball.

Case 1/Team A’s AP Arrow: A1 is in Team A’s part of its Front Court that is outside of the Three Point Arc, therefore Team A will receive its AP Arrow Throw-in at the nearest Side Line Designated Throw-in Sports in Team A’s Front Court.

Case 1/Team B’s AP Arrow: B3 is in Team B’s part of its Back Court that is inside of the Three Point Arc in Team A’s Front Court, therefore Team B will receive its AP Arrow Throw-in at the nearest End Line Designated Throw-in Sports in Team B’s Back Court.


NOTE (2.0): For Case 2 it does matter if: i) there is no Team Control of the Ball just prior to the Held Ball, ii) there is Team Control of the Ball by one of the Teams just prior to the Held Ball, and iii) if (i) is the Case then which Team did have Control of the Ball and which Player caused there to be a Held Ball and his/her Court Status. The matrix for Case 2 is too much for me to want to take the time to put together as it is 11:4pmEST and I am going to go to bed. Maybe I will to it tomorrow but the two liter bottle of Di Saronno Amaretto may not be enough to get me through putting together the matrix.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bucky

I'm thinking obvious answer....maybe just looking for confirmation:

Case 1: In Team A's FC, A1 and B3 are involved in a held ball, with A1 outside the 3-point arc and B3 inside the 3-point arc. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

Case 2: A4 and B2 are involved with a held ball, with both players straddling the division line. If the A/P arrow is in Team A's favor, where is the inbound location? And if in Team B's favor?

1. The ball is touching a player inside the arc, the the ball is inside the arc. Throw-in on the endline. (I thought there was a case play or interp where something similar happened, but I can't find it right now).

2. The ball is in both BCs. Throw-in in the BC.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1. The gall is touching a player inside the arc, the the ball is inside the arc. Throw-in on the endline. (I thought there was a case play or interp where something similar happened, but I can't find it right now).

2. The ball is in both BCs. Throw-in in the BC.

I like these answers. I’m going to do it this way if it occurs in a game that I’m doing.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1. The ball is touching a player inside the arc, the the ball is inside the arc. Throw-in on the endline. (I thought there was a case play or interp where something similar happened, but I can't find it right now).

2. The ball is in both BCs. Throw-in in the BC.

👍

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The ball is touching a player inside the arc, the the ball is inside the arc. Throw-in on the endline. (I thought there was a case play or interp where something similar happened, but I can't find it right now).

Sounds similar to an IAABO You Make The Call video interpretation a few weeks ago.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds similar to an IAABO You Make The Call video interpretation a few weeks ago.

It was kicking violation by the defensive team during a backcourt endline throwin.

The was an interesting situation that we thought officials should be aware of moving forward, as it could impact a close game if we don't thoroughly understand the rules that apply.

Beginning last season, the NFHS approved a rules change that created specific designated spots for all stoppages except for out-of-bounds. This year, the NFHS expanded those spots to the backcourt. Now we essentially have eight designated spots, 2 on each end line, 3 feet outside the nearer lane line, and 4 along the sidelines at the 28-foot mark on each side of the court.

The basis for determining where the ball will be put in play is the 3-point line. Stoppages inside the 3-point line go to the end line; stoppages outside the 3-point line go to the sideline (IRG 9:2, NFHS 7-5-3, 7-5-4).

Now, let's apply these provisions to this play. A thrower releases the ball, and the defender extends their leg and kicks the ball. The ball was literally kicked outside the 3-point arc. But what was the status of the player who kicked the ball?

The defensive player had her right foot inside the arc while her left foot was in the air. By rule, she is considered inside the 3-point line (IRG 5:2:B, NFHS 4-35-1c).

Since the kicking violation technically occurred inside the 3-point line, the ensuing throw-in should be along the endline, 3 feet outside the nearer lane line.

This was an interesting play, as if this is ruled to be a violation outside the arc, the ball would be advanced to the 28-foot mark, which is considerable in situations where teams are setting up for a last-second try.

We hope this play summary alerts officials to an important nuance to the new throw-in provisions and helps with understanding the importance of knowing the player location rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This was an interesting play, as if this is ruled to be a violation outside the arc, the ball would be advanced to the 28-foot mark, which is considerable in situations ...

I call a foul, held ball, or a violation, deep in the corner outside three point arc, and I've got coaches, players, fans, and even (gasp) partners looking at me like I was from Mars when I designate the throwin spot almost twenty-eight feet away at the twenty-eight foot line, which isn't even marked on many courts.

Stupid rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I call a foul, held ball, or a violation, deep in the corner outside three point arc, and I've ... partners looking at me like I was from Mars when I designate the throwin spot almost twenty-eight feet away at the twenty-eight foot line, which isn't even marked on many courts.

... often resulting in frontcourt Trails not even offering to come across the basket line, forcing me to bounce the ball almost twenty-eight feet to the frontcourt inbounder (as I would normally do below the free throw line extended).

Stupid rule.