Location of Designated Spot Throw-in for a Backcourt Violation.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

NFHS (and NCAA Men's/Women's) Rules:

SITUATION: Team A commits a BC when: i) anywhere on or inside Team B's Three-Point Arc, and ii) anywhere outside Team B's Three-Point Arc in Team B's Backcourt.

RULINGS: I am sure of the NFHS Rulings but not so sure of the NCAA Rulings because I am having trouble locating the analogous Rule citations.

RULING (i): The nearest Designated Throw-in Spot on the End Line.

RULING (ii): The nearest Designated Throw-in Spot on the Side Line.

My question is: Are the NCAA Rulings the same as the NFHS Rulings? Please give NCAA Rules citations.

Thank you.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

I don't have a citation, but the 4 throw-in spots are not used for back court throw-ins.

Not sure if the three-point arc is used to determine if it will be a sideline or an end line throw in.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I don't have a citation, but the 4 throw-in spots are not used for back court throw-ins.

NFHS added the four throwin spots for back court throwins this year.

7-5-3:
ART. 3 . . . After a violation (9-1, 9-2, 9-4 through 9-13) by either team, a foul by either team before the bonus is in effect or any other stoppage in play, the throw-in location will be determined by the location of the violation/foul or the location of the ball when the stoppage occurs. If the throw-in is to be in the team's frontcourt or backcourt, it shall be at either the nearest 28-foot mark along each sideline or the nearest spot 3-feet outside the lane line along the end line. (Diagram 5)

7-5-4:
ART. 4 . . . Officials shall determine the designated spot by using the three-point arc. If the stoppage of play occurs on or within the three-point arc, the designated spot shall be the nearest point on the end line 3-feet outside the lane line. (See Number 1 on Diagram 5.) If the stoppage occurs outside the three-point arc, the designated spot shall be the nearest sideline at the 28-foot line. (See Number 2 on Diagram 5.)

[Nevadaref]

Raymond’s comment is specific to NCAA rules as asked for by MTD.

All of us are clear that NFHS is using the eight spots for backcourt violations.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I don't have a citation, but the 4 throw-in spots are not used for back court throw-ins.

Not sure if the three-point arc is used to determine if it will be a sideline or an end line throw in.

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NCAAW uses the old “rocket ship” for throw in spots. The 4 spots are only for fouls, kick, fist and through the basket from below violations.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAAW uses the old “rocket ship” for throw in spots. The 4 spots are only for fouls, kick, fist and through the basket from below violations.

Bob:

Thanks.

Have the CCA Women's Manual come out yet?

MTD, Sr.

[ilyazhito]

NCAAM still has the throw-in at the "point of interruption or designated spot nearest to where the foul or violation occurred) (7-3.2.c). The NCAAM rulebook uses an imaginary trapezoid instead of the rocketship as the line of demarcation, with the trapezoid starting at the free throw line extended going towards the corners where the sideline and endline intersect (7-3.2.b). Throw-ins below the line go to the endline, throw-ins above the line go to the sideline.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

Thanks.

Have the CCA Women's Manual come out yet?

MTD, Sr.

No. Proof that we don’t really need it every year.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

The NCAAM rulebook uses an imaginary trapezoid instead of the rocketship as the line of demarcation, with the trapezoid starting at the free throw line extended going towards the corners where the sideline and endline intersect (7-3.2.b). Throw-ins below the line go to the endline, throw-ins above the line go to the sideline.

So, not this?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I don't have a citation, but the 4 throw-in spots are not used for back court throw-ins.

Not sure if the three-point arc is used to determine if it will be a sideline or an end line throw in.

The NCAA does not do the 4 spots in the BC like the NF. And the NCAA does not use the 3-point line to determine throw-in spots either. They even changed the out-of-bounds spots for the FC, but kept the backcourt standard. So the same "rocket ship" is used in the BC other than the FT circle.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No. Proof that we don’t really need it every year.

I cannot speak for the Women's game, but the Men's game has undergone some changes over the last few years, and each year, including this one, it has added some new elements. It would have been nice to know what those changes were, other than hearing it through the grapevine.

Peace

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So, not this?

The free throw semicircle is not included. A violation that happened in the free-throw semicircle would cause the ball to be placed on the sideline.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No. Proof that we don’t really need it every year.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot speak for the Women's game, but the Men's game has undergone some changes over the last few years, and each year, including this one, it has added some new elements. It would have been nice to know what those changes were, other than hearing it through the grapevine.

Peace

Mark, Jr.'s first softball assigment is in the Kickin' Chicken Classic at Coastal Carolina University, Feb. 06/Fri.-08/Sun. and he has yet to receive his CCA Softball Umpires Manual, in fact he does not know of any other NCAA Softball Umpire that has recieved the CCA Softball Manual.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot speak for the Women's game, but the Men's game has undergone some changes over the last few years, and each year, including this one, it has added some new elements. It would have been nice to know what those changes were, other than hearing it through the grapevine.

Peace

And, the same for NCAAW -- but the changes would fit on a couple of sheets of paper, and they are all posted on the RQ hub. We only need a new book every few years, imo.