New Throw-in Spot following Violation at the Division Line committed by Throwing Team

[Mike Goodwin]

NFHS Rules.

Up through the 2023-24 season, the Penalty for any violation of R9/S2, "Throw-in Provisions" read, in part: "Following a violation, the ball is awarded to opponents for a throw-in at the original throw-in spot [emphasis added]. Easy, peasy.

In 2024-25, the Penalty for any violation of R9/S2, "Throw-in Provisions" was changed to read:

a) When the opponent is awarded team control in its frontcourt, the throw-in spot will be at one of the four designated spots nearest the violation. (Diagram 5, aka: "the four spots")

b) When the opponent is awarded team control in its backcourt, the throw-in spot will be at the original throw-in spot. [emphasis added]

That same season, R7/S5/A3, read in part, "After a violation (9-4 through 9-13) by either team..." Notice R9/S2 was not included here. Still rather easy, peasy.


For 2025-26, the Penalty for any violation of R9/S2, "Throw-in Provisions" was changed to read:

a) When the opponent is awarded a team control in its frontcourt, the throw-in spot will be based on the location of the violation relative to the three-point line where the violation occurred. (Diagram 5, aka: "the four spots")

b) When the opponent is awarded a team control in its backcourt, the throw-in spot will be based on the location of the violation relative to the three-point line where the violation occurred. (Diagram 5, aka: now also "the four spots")

R7/S5/A3 has been edited to include violations of R9/S2 and now reads, in part: "After a violation (9-1, 9-2, 9-4 through 9-13) by either team..."

That means violations of R9/S2 will take place at one of the eight spots (four FC or four BC). Any reference to the original spot in R9/S2 has been deleted.


Scenario: during the first quarter, Team B is assessed an Administrative Technical Foul for requiring the scorer to add a name to the book. Following their two free throws, Team A is awarded a throw-in at the Division Line Opposite the Table. Thrower A-1's inbound pass goes out of bounds untouched over the end line in Team A's front court (9-2-2).

Question: Now that any reference to the original spot has been deleted, where is Team B awarded its throw-in due to the violation by Team A?

Current rules book and/or case book support?

[Nevadaref]

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...iolations.html

I pointed this out in a thread last month.

My answer to your question is that since the division line is considered to be part of the backcourt for both teams, the ensuing throw-in for Team B will come from the 28-foot line in the backcourt opposite the table.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...iolations.html

I pointed this out in a thread last month.

My answer to your question is that since the division line is considered to be part of the backcourt for both teams, the ensuing throw-in for Team B will come from the 28-foot line in the backcourt opposite the table.

👍

MTD, Sr.

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...iolations.html

I pointed this out in a thread last month.

My answer to your question is that since the division line is considered to be part of the backcourt for both teams, the ensuing throw-in for Team B will come from the 28-foot line in the backcourt opposite the table.

The State of Missouri has a different interpretation. This came out Nov 12th

'Good afternoon. All of you are aware of the throw in spot locations that has changed a little from last year. Spots are now defined in both the front court and the back court using the 3 point arc. We are using the baseline locations when the foul or violation occurs inside the 3 point arc and the 28 foot mark on the sideline when the foul or violation takes place outside the 3 point arc. This is in both the front court and the back court.

There is a scenario that has brought about a lot of discussion between myself and the other rules interpreters across the state. After a conversation with Kenny Seifert of MSHSAA, there is a clarification that I want to share with all of you.

Team A has a throw in at the division line to start the second quarter. Team A is called for a 5 second throw in violation. Where does team B get the throw in?

Response: If team A commits a five second violation on the inbound at the start of the quarter, team B gets possession and takes the ball out of bounds at the nearest spot to the violation. This is a loss of possession for team A and the possession is awarded to team B at the previous out of bounds spot where the violation occurred. Since the quarter has not started with a live ball inbounds, we have not established any status, front court or back court. Therefore, the ball is taken out where it originated from, which is at the mid court line opposite the table.'

Hope this clarification helps.

Mark Probst
MSHSAA Rules Interpreter

[Raymond]

I like that interpretation.

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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

The State of Missouri has a different interpretation. This came out Nov 12th


Since the quarter has not started with a live ball inbounds, we have not established any status, front court or back court. Therefore, the ball is taken out where it originated from, which is at the mid court line opposite the table.[/I]'

Hope this clarification helps.

Mark Probst
MSHSAA Rules Interpreter

The part with the rationale is garbage and that results in an incorrect ruling.

The quarter began when the ball became live for the throw-in. There is no requirement that the ball gain inbounds status for a quarter to start.

The status of the ball also doesn’t matter one bit.
In fact, all throw-ins are from out of bounds locations adjacent to either the frontcourt or backcourt without the ball having either status. Under the new rule ANY throw-in violation must now result in the ensuing throw-in going to one of the eight spots. The only way to remain where the throw-in occurred is if it already happened to be at one of those eight spots.

People can reasonably make the case for moving to the 28’ line in either the frontcourt or the backcourt, but we simply cannot remain at the division line.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The part with the rationale is garbage and that results in an incorrect ruling.

The quarter began when the ball became live for the throw-in. There is no requirement that the ball gain inbounds status for a quarter to start.

The status of the ball also doesn’t matter one bit.
In fact, all throw-ins are from out of bounds locations adjacent to either the frontcourt or backcourt without the ball having either status. Under the new rule ANY throw-in violation must now result in the ensuing throw-in going to one of the eight spots. The only way to remain where the throw-in occurred is if it already happened to be at one of those eight spots.

People can reasonably make the case for moving to the 28’ line in either the frontcourt or the backcourt, but we simply cannot remain at the division line.

Agreed. What if there's a T or I in the middle of a quarter, followed by the throw-in violation? Are they leaving that throw-in at the division line?

You *could* have a rule to the effect that any violation during a throw-in result on a throw-in at the original spot (and not at one of the 8 designated spots) -- just the same as a TO during the throw-in does not result in moving the throw-in spot, but that's not the current rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed. What if there's a T or I in the middle of a quarter, followed by the throw-in violation? Are they leaving that throw-in at the division line?

You *could* have a rule to the effect that any violation during a throw-in result on a throw-in at the original spot (and not at one of the 8 designated spots) -- just the same as a TO during the throw-in does not result in moving the throw-in spot, but that's not the current rule.

I would if the violation occurred with the thrower who is at the division line. However, this is something that should probably be clarified, as the division line is neither the FC nor the BC. Now, if the violation took place like a kicking violation or some other violation, then I get that. But what if the thrower throws the ball out of bounds and no one touches the ball? Where do we take the spot if it was already at the division line for the start of the quarter or after a technical foul? That actually happened in a game I was in, and we put it back at the division line?

Peace