NFHS timing mistake question

[Nevadaref]

With 2:43 remaining in the 2nd quarter Team A takes a full time-out. The scorer records the time in the book and marks the time-out. At this school the time-outs are timed on the game clock. The time on the game clock disappears and is replaced by the time-out clock once the timer enters that information on the console. Following the expiration of the time-out and play is to resume, the game clock malfunctions and instead of restoring 2:43 to the game clock one minute appears. No one notices and the game continues.

Some scenarios:
A. The mistake is noticed with ten seconds remaining in the second quarter.
B. The timer notifies the officials of the error during halftime.
C. The timer notifies the officials of the error during the middle of the third quarter.

What can be done?

[bob jenkins]

Not sure it's covered, but what I would do:

A. Reset the clock to 1:53
C. Too late to correct.
B. I'm also going with too late to correct

[Raymond]

Fire the crew?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not sure it's covered, but what I would do:
A. Reset the clock to 1:53
C. Too late to correct.
B. I'm also going with too late to correct

A: Definite knowledge.
B and C: Too late.

Sounds like a good plan.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Fire the crew?

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MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

NCAAW 5-7-5 No correction of a timing mistake shall be carried over from one quarter or overtime. The mistake shall be corrected before the start of the subsequent intermission.

5-12-1 also indicates it must also be corrected within the correctable error time frame (I'm too lazy to type it all out or to d/l the rule book to copy-and-paste)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAAW 5-7-5 No correction of a timing mistake shall be carried over from one quarter or overtime. The mistake shall be corrected before the start of the subsequent intermission.

5-12-1 also indicates it must also be corrected within the correctable error time frame (I'm too lazy to type it all out or to d/l the rule book to copy-and-paste)

Bob, I am also lazy but I am retired so I will do it for you:

2025-26 & 2026-27 NCAA Women’s Bkb. Rules Book:

R5 (Scoring and Timing Regulations)-S7 (Quarters and Overtime – Beginning and End)-A5: No correction of a timing mistake shall be carried over from one quarter or overtime. The mistake shall be corrected before the start of the subsequent intermission.


R5 (Scoring and Timing Regulations)-S12 (Timing Mistakes and Malfunctions):

The following articles pertain to mistakes and malfunctions in games played without replay/television equipment. For timing mistakes and malfunctions in games with replay/television equipment, see Rule 11 [Replay].

A1: When an obvious timing mistake has occurred because of the failure to start or stop the game clock properly, the mistake shall be corrected by the referee. After the mistake of either failing to start or stop the game clock, such a mistake shall be corrected:

a. During the first dead ball and before the ball is touched inbounds or out
of bounds by a player other than a thrower-in.

b. When the clock should have been continuously running, before the
second live ball is touched inbounds or out of bounds by a player other
than a thrower-in.

No timing mistake correction shall be carried over from one quarter or overtime to another. Such a mistake shall be corrected before the start of an intermission.


MTD, Sr.

P.S. Have you received your CCA Women's Manual. I know some men's officials have not received their CCA Men's Manual.

[Nevadaref]

Does anyone have anything from the NFHS which states when a timing correction must be made? I know of nothing from the NFHS that states when it is too late to correct a timing mistake. This seems to be a serious gap in the NFHS basketball rules.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Does anyone have anything from the NFHS which states when a timing correction must be made? I know of nothing from the NFHS that states when it is too late to correct a timing mistake. This seems to be a serious gap in the NFHS basketball rules.

Nevada:

The only thing that comes to mind is when an Overtime Period starts with the incorrect length and if my memory serves me correctly it is a Case Book Play and the Ruling is exactly the opposite from the NCAA Men's and Women's Approved Rulings for the exact same Situation.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

P.S. Have you received your CCA Women's Manual. I know some men's officials have not received their CCA Men's Manual.

They are still not out. This came oput over the weekend:

Manual update / MESSAGE FROM CCA “RQ+ is moving forward with production of the
women's and men's basketball mechanics manuals. RQ+ will work expeditiously and provide
the manuals as soon as possible. Moving forward, RQ+ will provide updates on the
finalization of the mechanics manuals, which we anticipate will occur in the next 10-14
days.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Nevada:

The only thing that comes to mind is when an Overtime Period starts with the incorrect length and if my memory serves me correctly it is a Case Book Play and the Ruling is exactly the opposite from the NCAA Men's and Women's Approved Rulings for the exact same Situation.

MTD, Sr.

I’ve always thought this to be a bizarre play ruling. Why not simply subtract the proper amount of time from four minutes? For example, if the timer mistakenly set the clock to 5 minutes for the OT period and thirty seconds had been played when the violation occurred and the referee was notified, just set the clock to 3:30 and continue the OT period. Yet the NFHS states not to do that???
In any event, this doesn’t tell us when it is too late to correct a normal timing mistake or game clock malfunction.

5.7.3 - Length of Extra Period Incorrect
Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock.
RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)