NFHS timing mistake question

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Does anyone have anything from the NFHS which states when a timing correction must be made? I know of nothing from the NFHS that states when it is too late to correct a timing mistake. This seems to be a serious gap in the NFHS basketball rules.

Nevada:

The only thing that comes to mind is when an Overtime Period starts with the incorrect length and if my memory serves me correctly it is a Case Book Play and the Ruling is exactly the opposite from the NCAA Men's and Women's Approved Rulings for the exact same Situation.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Nevada:

The only thing that comes to mind is when an Overtime Period starts with the incorrect length and if my memory serves me correctly it is a Case Book Play and the Ruling is exactly the opposite from the NCAA Men's and Women's Approved Rulings for the exact same Situation.

MTD, Sr.

I’ve always thought this to be a bizarre play ruling. Why not simply subtract the proper amount of time from four minutes? For example, if the timer mistakenly set the clock to 5 minutes for the OT period and thirty seconds had been played when the violation occurred and the referee was notified, just set the clock to 3:30 and continue the OT period. Yet the NFHS states not to do that???
In any event, this doesn’t tell us when it is too late to correct a normal timing mistake or game clock malfunction.

5.7.3 - Length of Extra Period Incorrect
Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock.
RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)

[Nevadaref]

I posed this question to the forum because there are two questions on this topic on the Part B exam on the ArbiterSports testing platform.

I believe that Arbiter now creates these test questions and their answers instead of getting the tests from the NFHS and simply republishing them. If that is correct, since these test questions and answers aren’t coming from the NFHS like they used to and are merely what someone working for ArbiterSports thinks, they don’t carry the same weight for me as a ruling or answer published by the NFHS staff.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I posed this question to the forum because there are two questions on this topic on the Part B exam on the ArbiterSports testing platform.

Ca you post the questions and proposed answers?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Ca you post the questions and proposed answers?

If a timing mistake occurred during the first extra period, which ends with the score tied, up until when can the mistake be corrected?
a. Until the ball becomes live to begin the second extra period/overtime.
b. Until the intermission between extra periods/overtimes begins.
c. Until the intermission between extra periods/overtimes ends.
d. The timing mistake cannot be corrected.

Explanation 2-3, 5-10

If the game clock malfunctions, what is the latest point at which it may be corrected?
a. During the first dead ball after the malfunction.
b. Before the end of the quarter or overtime period in which the malfunction occurred.
c. Before the end of the half or overtime period in which the malfunction occurred.
d. The game clock cannot be corrected when a malfunction occurs.

Explanation 5-6 Exc. 3, 5-10-2

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If a timing mistake occurred during the first extra period, which ends with the score tied, up until when can the mistake be corrected?
a. Until the ball becomes live to begin the second extra period/overtime.
b. Until the intermission between extra periods/overtimes begins.
c. Until the intermission between extra periods/overtimes ends.
d. The timing mistake cannot be corrected.

Explanation 2-3, 5-10

If the game clock malfunctions, what is the latest point at which it may be corrected?
a. During the first dead ball after the malfunction.
b. Before the end of the quarter or overtime period in which the malfunction occurred.
c. Before the end of the half or overtime period in which the malfunction occurred.
d. The game clock cannot be corrected when a malfunction occurs.

Explanation 5-6 Exc. 3, 5-10-2

I don't see how those references answer the questions -- and how can a rules test reference 2-3 (the "God" rule) -- it's basically saying any answer is correct.

What answers did they give?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I’ve always thought this to be a bizarre play ruling.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I’ve always thought this to be a bizarre play ruling. Why not simply subtract the proper amount of time from four minutes? For example, if the timer mistakenly set the clock to 5 minutes for the OT period and thirty seconds had been played when the violation occurred and the referee was notified, just set the clock to 3:30 and continue the OT period. Yet the NFHS states not to do that???
In any event, this doesn’t tell us when it is too late to correct a normal timing mistake or game clock malfunction.

5.7.3 - Length of Extra Period Incorrect
Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock.
RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)

Nevada:

I agree with you. It is a bizarre Ruling.

MTD, Sr.